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highlands
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LT wrote:The fact is that the vast majority of employers did not deliberately seek to fill vacancies with migrant workers. They employed EEA migrants when they were the best or, sometimes, the only available candidates.
available candidates....who were willing to accept the pay & conditions of the employer.
My brother's new employer was actively recruiting solely in Eastern Europe before FoM ended.
Now, their rates are 37% higher and they are attracting UK employees, such as my brother, who would not have worked there at the old rates of pay. Black 05 TDV6 HSE Auto
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mse
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Paul J. wrote:You tell me. If the local market rate was being paid, why was there a reliance on cheap Eastern European labour?
If I am wrong, then there was no exploitation. 
You are wrong there was no exploitation
Company offered a rate of pay and a vacancy was filled. European workers still had to live in the uk and often sent money back
Now if you want to get into a debate about the rate of pay, then you also need to realise uk products are already high prices and so something will have to give, paying everyone more has to be paid for Mike
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| 3rd Oct 2021 8:41 pm |
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LT
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highlands wrote:LT wrote:The fact is that the vast majority of employers did not deliberately seek to fill vacancies with migrant workers. They employed EEA migrants when they were the best or, sometimes, the only available candidates.
available candidates....who were willing to accept the pay & conditions of the employer.
My brother's new employer was actively recruiting solely in Eastern Europe before FoM ended.
Now, their rates are 37% higher and they are attracting UK employees, such as my brother, who would not have worked there at the old rates of pay.
Yet since leaving the EU, the U.K. now has a chronic shortage of labour across many sectors.
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| 3rd Oct 2021 8:47 pm |
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And Boris's response is : your problem, you sort it out.
So Boris, how are they going to recruit staff they need? Even if everyone pays double, there aren't enough suitable British citizens to fill all of the gaps. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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| 3rd Oct 2021 9:18 pm |
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highlands
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How many are we short of due to lack of FoM?
Of the '3 million' EU citizens in the UK 5 million have applied for and received settled status.
Before the expansion of the EU with the A8 countries there was the Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme, which I don't recall there being any widespread resentment of.
I do think this'll accelerate the change to job automation.
You wonder how we can be on the cusp of driverless car rollouts and yet we still have men and women in charge of driving trains on tracks, rows of men and women picking and packing e.g. cabbages?
Speaking of which, a former colleague is working with a company automating lots of farming tasks - I imagine it's going to be easier to get investment in that area now than it was a few years ago when the answer was just to get more C&EE people in the fields, polytunnels and packing sheds. Black 05 TDV6 HSE Auto
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| 3rd Oct 2021 10:53 pm |
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LT
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Worker shortages have left UK service stations empty, created gaps on supermarket shelves and are forcing farms to cull pigs. Even the finance industry is starting to suffer. The situation could get much worse this winter if the British government doesn't relax its Brexit immigration rules, business leaders say.
Farmers, bankers, retailers, transporters and restaurateurs have warned in recent weeks that tighter immigration rules put in place after Britain left the European Union are making it hard for them to find workers and keep their businesses running.
Supermarkets are struggling to keep some specific foods stocked, while McDonald's (MCD) temporarily stopped serving milkshakes and Nando's ran out of its signature peri peri chicken. Meat processors can't keep up with demand, and farmers are warning that there won't be enough turkeys at Christmas. Abattoirs can't cope with the number of pigs being reared.
Banks are the latest to sound the alarm. TheCityUK, which represents the United Kingdom's huge financial services industry, said Thursday that its members were seeing "significant cost increases to securing the high-skilled talent that they need to compete on the global stage."
"To stay competitive, we must have the best global talent. Without it, we will not be able to innovate in key growth areas like FinTech or green finance, nor build out our international trading networks," CEO Miles Celic said in a statement. "The UK must strive harder to modernize its immigration processes," he added.
The financial sector is asking the government to make it easier for workers to come to the United Kingdom for short stints. It also wants the government to negotiate with other countries to allow workers to easily cross borders for roles with their current employer.
The scale of the challenge facing UK employers has been highlighted over the past week, when a shortage of tanker drivers forced some service stations to close. British motorists resorted to panic buying, causing widespread gasoline shortages that persisted for days.
The government responded with emergency measures that included temporary 5,000 visas for foreign truck drivers. Britain faces a much bigger shortfall of 100,000 drivers, according to industry groups, but Prime Minister Boris Johnson signaled that his government is unlikely to authorize more.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.cnn.com...index.html
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| 3rd Oct 2021 11:23 pm |
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galwaygreen
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media report similar things happening worldwide...common factor not brexit related ....maybe pandemic or a phooked up world with some phooked up people in charge...experienced that local recently..
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| 3rd Oct 2021 11:39 pm |
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LT
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Indeed, but it’s undeniable that Brexit has been a significant factor in the shortage of workers in many U.K. sectors. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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| 3rd Oct 2021 11:50 pm |
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| 3rd Oct 2021 11:51 pm |
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highlands
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LT wrote:Worker shortages have left UK service stations empty...
I think it's the 5x normal demand that has left UK service stations empty. Black 05 TDV6 HSE Auto
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| 4th Oct 2021 12:34 am |
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galwaygreen
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seen what you did there DG...sauces.....your in a pickle again it appears....been on sky most of the day happy to hear what they say,,,what other method have we got to "keep up to date"
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| 4th Oct 2021 12:35 am |
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galwaygreen
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shortage of workers...more like media hype...if it wasnt on the news you wouldnt know about it...like power cuts..... happen some places ,,,not in others...sorted locally ,,,move on,,,kick on
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| 4th Oct 2021 12:40 am |
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G7jtk
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Not too many pigs but not enough workers to process them.
Surly when the foreign workers were allowed in it should have only been a short term measure until local people could be found and trained for these jobs.
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| 4th Oct 2021 6:00 am |
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LT
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highlands wrote:LT wrote:Worker shortages have left UK service stations empty...
I think it's the 5x normal demand that has left UK service stations empty.
I think it’s the shortage of delivery drives that started it all. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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| 4th Oct 2021 6:42 am |
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