An art critic did an impression of Hitler. Why? Because the debate was whether there is such a thing as good taste. By doing his impression, he argued, he did something in bad taste. And if there is bad taste then there must, naturally, be good taste too. So a clever approach to the debate.
This apparently upset some people and the response is to blacklist the chap.
OK, so why is this an issue? Well, the Cambridge Union claims it has been defending free speech since 1815. Is black listing speakers who say things you don't like how you defend free speech? Doesn't seem like it to me but then maybe I'm missing something.
The letter from the Union's President:
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That’s you blacklisted for using the term blacklisted!
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My guess is that someone that didn't understand the speaker's point complained afterwards. The student president then issued his edict as a defence against attacks on him in order to avoid being thrown out of his position.
It seems to me that the episode just shows that Cambridge undergraduates / graduates aren't what they were. What they are now is a bunch of thin skinned types that are incapable of thinking deeply about things.Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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and lets be honest.... is blacklisted the correct term to use ? does it have links to slavery or racism ?
maybe i should object to the term whiteboard (formally known as the chalk board, which in turn was formally known as the blackboard)
should i whitewash my brickwork on my house, or should i paint it a pale colour?
oh my god im so confused i dont even know if im male or female
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RogB wrote:
and lets be honest.... is blacklisted the correct term to use ? does it have links to slavery or racism ?
maybe i should object to the term whiteboard (formally known as the chalk board, which in turn was formally known as the blackboard)
should i whitewash my brickwork on my house, or should i paint it a pale colour?
oh my god im so confused i dont even know if im male or female
apologies if this offends anyone, its early, Ive just taken a dose of medicine and im isolating due to testing positive for covid so going a little stir crazy....
I'm only offended by the atrocious conditions in which you keep your apostrophes. The poor things have died. I shall consider reporting you to the RSPCA. And as for your capital letters - they're extinct! Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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An art critic did an impression of Hitler. Why? Because the debate was whether there is such a thing as good taste. By doing his impression, he argued, he did something in bad taste. And if there is bad taste then there must, naturally, be good taste too. So a clever approach to the debate.
This apparently upset some people and the response is to blacklist the chap.
OK, so why is this an issue? Well, the Cambridge Union claims it has been defending free speech since 1815. Is black listing speakers who say things you don't like how you defend free speech? Doesn't seem like it to me but then maybe I'm missing something.
I subscribe to the Free Speech Union's newsletter (a very depressing read) and am happy to buy copies of books by academics under fire for their opinions: it means I can make up my own mind; it is indirectly sticking two fingers to the "attackers".
The direction of travel is quite alarming, as is the build-up of speed.
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I'm only offended by the atrocious conditions in which you keep your apostrophes. The poor things have died. I shall consider reporting you to the RSPCA. And as for your capital letters - they're extinct!
Sorry, Wayne, but IMHO your original post should have hyphenated "black-listing".
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DG wrote:
Well it confirms your ignorance
Not ignorant at all, I really am for equality and freedom of speech across the whole spectrum of every subject but I will not bow down to being bullied by anyone for what I believe in so long as I'm allowed to have a reasoned debate about it.
My statement was just an attempt (maybe not a perfect one) to throw some light hearted humour onto a very evocative subject.
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Let's face it, free speech has been rejected by many universities.
They claim to encourage free speech, but then deny it to groups they don't agree with.1994 Defender 300tdi 110 commercial
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There should be some things that are not acceptable, so perhaps the speaker found that boundary in the Cambridge Union. Possibly time to invoke Karl Popper and the tolerance paradox in justification of that stance.
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HWN wrote:
RRSTDV8 wrote:
I'm only offended by the atrocious conditions in which you keep your apostrophes. The poor things have died. I shall consider reporting you to the RSPCA. And as for your capital letters - they're extinct!
Sorry, Wayne, but IMHO your original post should have hyphenated "black-listing".
I think you may be incorrect there Hugh. So far as I can see, blacklist is acceptable and, it seems, the norm. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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John Cleese is making a stand by cancelling his appearance at the Cambridge Union. Which is, I think, a reasonable response.
There is a worry, however, that they'll just end up with "compliant" guest speakers if it carries on. Then it will be no better than people following mutters on intsabooker.
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