I think the IBF design has merit. Obviously weight is an issue, but perhaps it could be made lighter, and there are significant advantages to a bit of extra weight.
However you look at it, it's funny to read the spin from LR back when the D3 was launched and now. One minute the IBF is completely revolutionary and the way forward, the next they've changed their minds, it's a big problem and weight needs to be saved.
As usual, the truth lies somewhere the middle. Current: Discovery 3 06MY (55 reg) HSE Auto Zambezi Silver Allisport Fast Road Intercooler, V8 Brakes, Silicone IC Hoses, EGRs Blanked, Remapped, De-Cat pipe, FBHIC
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17th Jun 2016 12:23 pm
RDR
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Keeping looking at it and I'm definitely getting there with the back and the sides its just the front thats so disappointing as its lost the disconess and just looks corporate. Retro D3 style wheel arches, rock sliders and ladder may give it a bit of a boost in the looks department MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten
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17th Jun 2016 12:27 pm
LT
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Red Merle wrote:
BLFarrar - Absolutely!
As you can tell, I'm feeling really hacked off and let down by the abandonment of the core values that brought me to LR in the first place This is a designer handbag of a car!
I'm not happy either, but JLR are a very different company to the old Land Rover.
What the likes of you and I and many others on this forum want from the new vehicle, are different to the requirements of the much larger market sector that JLR are targeting with the new Discovery.
If our needs are to meet by a new LR vehicle, it will be in the new Defender range. If that ever materialises! 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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17th Jun 2016 2:44 pm
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It's entirely probable that LR would have folded by now had it not gone in its current development directionIllegitimi Non Carborundum
17th Jun 2016 2:47 pm
LT
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Cam-Tech-Craig wrote:
A monocoque
I thought we had that already. Just that it's then bolted onto a ladder chassis for good measure. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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17th Jun 2016 2:48 pm
APL
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Hang on a minute, are we sure this isn't some sort of major red herring being put about by Land Rover to confuse us? I think it might be......
Wait until the Paris launch.....
It's just that I think there are major differences between these latest shots and the previous heavily disguised ones, which leads me to think and hope that the real thing might just be better. Plus when do they ever release a vehicle that is more or less exactly the same as a concept?2016 Discovery 4 Commercial
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17th Jun 2016 6:04 pm
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Discovery Vision with door handles is what you are going to get. Otherwise if it's something different you're going to have to wait a long, long time.
17th Jun 2016 6:08 pm
J77
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You are looking at the real thing.
The mule had cladding on it to disguise the shape.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
17th Jun 2016 6:09 pm
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Red Merle wrote:
Your optimism is encouraging but, realistically, how different can it look once the few remaining stripes have been removed?
I know it's a boat from the shape...but it would still look different without the stripes 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
17th Jun 2016 6:22 pm
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Hmmmmm, thoughts go back to the gym.
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17th Jun 2016 6:26 pm
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PS MTB or E boat.
17th Jun 2016 6:27 pm
Red Merle
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APL wrote:
Hang on a minute, are we sure this isn't some sort of major red herring being put about by Land Rover to confuse us? I think it might be......
Wait until the Paris launch.....
It's just that I think there are major differences between these latest shots and the previous heavily disguised ones, which leads me to think and hope that the real thing might just be better. Plus when do they ever release a vehicle that is more or less exactly the same as a concept?
One example would be the Evoque and the LRX concept car that it was virtually identical to. Land Rover have form in taking a glamorous and impractical show car and putting it into production.2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
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An F Pace hasn't got a two ratio gearbox....
The same difference that separates the Disco Sport aka Freelander from the mainstream Landrovers...
Discos 1, 2, 3 & 4
All have a two ratio (normal & low)...
All have a centre differential..
& permanent 4wd
FPace has a single ratio gearbox....driving (I believe) a Haldex gearbox that is the front- back split system that distributes "drive"BREXIT - done properly.
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Save the Dipstick Flagbearer-keep it simple, less likely to fail campaign-agenda items:Starting Handles, Acetylene Lamps.
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D3 HSE-perfectly formed, passenger friendly...has real DIPSTICK
Jag XK-but sadly no DIPSTICK...HUGE design fault
FL2 has DIPSTICK..."real comfort in rear seats"
VW Golf wondermobile (?)..has real DIPSTICK
Morris Minor..original DIPSTICK technology..and a real KEY.
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