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If the F Pace, the FL2 and Disco Sport all share a Haldex and a single speed grander box, why is it that the F Pace can't do the same?2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
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Has a monocoque with a hydro formed chassis that I thought was to be a common platform in the D3/4 replacement as a common platform for the New Disco / Defender repacement....common to get the numbers right for the pair of vehicles, economies of manufacturing scale
That's what we learnt at the design centre visit with the forum some years ago now...
At the end if the day the Disco 5 will be what it will be....
Marketing led "this is what market surveys says you need"....situation...that has to provide a follow in progression from the previous Discos to the repacement & attract new buyers....which infuriates me as to please them what I bought my Disco 3 for is going to be compromised.
The one attribute that I use & need is capacity..the space that's there without dropping seats.
Currently this is huge - five passengers of adult size with the realistic luggage space for them.
Then drop the rear seats - flatten them & you have a rectangular load space that isn't compromise by a lowered to the back shape....in the name of style or fashion
If the replacement loses this load swallowing load lugging capability it's not a replacement it's a compromise....even if it has the same off road credentials that some use sometimes...so they think. Get in snow or an icy wintry road & the D3/4 is that capable you simply don't know what magic the vehicle is doing until you see others (including other 4wd's) struggling to cope.
You don't buy & use a Disco 1, 2, 3/4 for its looks - it's about capability in being a 5/7 seat people carrier, tow vehicle, utility vehicle, off road vehicle all rolled into one....or all these are to me why I bought & still have mine....after Disco 1's & 2's.
If I'd wanted: a RRS, FFRR, Defender, Ford Explorer, G-Wagen, Audi Q7/Toureg/Cayenne, Volvo, Toyota Land Cruiser, possibly Merc M's, BMW X's I'd have gone & bought one.
The one factor that made made me not do this was all round capability....as per criterion above.....the alternative vehicles just aren't as all round capable.
I'm sure ( or I hope ) Landrover get it right & make the Discovery "real one" i.e. a logical step from what preceded it......it doesn't have to be revolutionary it has to be evolutionary....improved, altered beneficially, innovative, "better".....but more than a facelift which in reality the 3 to 4 change wasn't it was about the new engine, gearbox, features as it is substantially the same shape....with some "bling" (sorry....my opinion)
To me those who are fed up or tired with the shape or features should look elsewhere either in the LandRover range of go to another manufacturer (as indeed some have done)
Personally when I want to change (or have to) I will re assess my needs.....currently if I could buy a new "3" I would.....with rear AC, no LED lights, maybe improved brakes & some refinements & then use that for the next ten years.....but do strategic servicing when I know it's wise to do that....to prevent the daft things that have cost me dear. Preventable things like rebuilding auto gearboxes as opposed to an oil change or two...oils far cheaper than gearbox parts & labour.
The Disco 5 in in whatever form we are offered it will sadly be vastly more costly than what I have right now....comparatively ...when I bought mine I compared with the logical alternatives & it was then cost effective / comparative.....so if it's features especially capacity aren't what I need & its pricey I will be looking at something else or another make. Which is a disappointment as my D3 has served me well.....I may (like others) keep my D3 for as long as I can.
It's not about the esteem / ego / bragging rights at the pub of what I have got or could get..D3 wise.....this is a working vehicle.
I don't particularly want a Disco Sport (which I consider overpriced) in comparison to the outgoing model.....we have an FL2.....nice car but very different to a Disco 3/4 & not just size.
A RRS is a smaller but more expensive version of the Disco....smaller in the capacity as described above a big car but limited in terms of behingpd the B pillar capacity as the previous RRS model was.
FFRR - stunning car, out of my price range unless I compromise & sell/trade the XK....which is to some an impractical vehicle, 2 seats, won't go in winter, small luggage space.....but my choice in a fun vehicle.
In the cars I use, have currently got, had in the past the D3 is a classic vehicle, capable with attributes that I use & depend on. I hope the New Disco is a development that doesn't compromise the salient features I (& maybe others) measure this vehicle on.
How it looks, what it looks like compared to this or that isn't an issue to me....a "new" D3 would suffice.BREXIT - done properly.
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17th Jun 2016 8:55 pm
RRSTDV8
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DG wrote:
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Hmmm, a hunch-back RRS2...or an overweight DS.
It's not a handsome design like the D3/4 in my eyes. Shame.Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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17th Jun 2016 9:27 pm
J77
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It doesn't look like a £50k car, it looks cheap, similar to a Sorento or a Santa Fe.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
17th Jun 2016 9:35 pm
dantheman
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MHP wrote:
Well away in Mexico at the moment and have met a chap who is involved heavily in building the D5 and it's bloody stunning!
The build date he has given us is the same as i got 6 months ago. Building should start in mid May to early June of 2016.
Preproduction cars in camo have been about for a while but will become more obvious in the next months or two
Mark
Unfortunately Mark it would seem the guy you spoke too should have gone to specsavers "Stunning" is not a word that can describe the pictures we are seeing and he is abit out on the timings as well
Shame really as it could have been a ground breaking design again.
17th Jun 2016 10:13 pm
YT
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APL wrote:
Hang on a minute, are we sure this isn't some sort of major red herring being put about by Land Rover to confuse us? I think it might be......
Wait until the Paris launch.....
It's just that I think there are major differences between these latest shots and the previous heavily disguised ones, which leads me to think and hope that the real thing might just be better. Plus when do they ever release a vehicle that is more or less exactly the same as a concept?
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17th Jun 2016 10:18 pm
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Re: The D3/4....
BLFarrar wrote:
You don't buy & use a Disco 1, 2, 3/4 for its looks - it's about capability in being a 5/7 seat people carrier, tow vehicle, utility vehicle, off road vehicle all rolled into one..
...and yet you and others are judging the looks of this over it's capability 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
17th Jun 2016 10:35 pm
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I've already resigned myself that this present car will be the last LandRover i own 20 years and seeing the decline of what L/R was about .Now it's going down the same lines as other manufactures like BMW/AUDI where all the cars look mostly same front & back and boring.
But to most they all sell readily and won't worry in the slightest as in L/R they sell to different clientele now, that very few take it where the car's are supposed to go and don't mind paying over the top.
Looking at my latest news from my dealer about customer saying his D/S best of all 4x4s he has driven with commanding view as well
17th Jun 2016 10:39 pm
J77
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Personally I have no doubts about its capabilities as an off road vehicle or an all round family load Lugger, which the majority use it for. Yes the rear screen isn't the best idea and the split tailgate has its plus points but can also be a bit of a hindrance when reaching into the boot so I ain't too worried about the loss of it.
For the time being I'm happy to leave my deposit with the dealer until such times I can get my hands on one and prices/specs are announced.
It's just oh so different.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
17th Jun 2016 10:59 pm
RRSTDV8
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RDR wrote:
Retro D3 style wheel arches, rock sliders and ladder may give it a bit of a boost in the looks department
The wrap-around door cills will make rock sliders "problematic" in the same way that they were with RRS1. You can add them but they take a lot of clearance away. Doors that wrap under the cill are great for keeping your trousers clean when you get in and out but that's it.Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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18th Jun 2016 12:49 am
Red Merle
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DG wrote:
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With Land Rover having now completely adopted the irritating fashion of pointlessly high (and rising) waistlines and claustrophobia inducing small windows, those Transit like swaths of pressed steel on the flanks make those rather nice wheels look tiny. I would guess that they are probably 20" wheels, but they look like its been fitted with a set of smarties!
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Then, in 2002, when I needed a new car, the XM had gone out of production to be replaced by the Citroen C5. It looked like a poor replacement for the XM, but the XM's had been so good and the C5 still had hydraulic suspension. What could possibly go wrong? I convinced myself, against all the evidence, that it would be fine.
It turned out to be a steaming pile of cr*p! I have never rejected a car before, or since, but the C5 was thrown back at Citroen after a disastrous 12 months. I never bought another Citroen after that.
Ever since then I've never let brand loyalty, optimism and seeing a shiny new car, shorn of its disguises for the first time, blind me to the evidence that a manufacturer might have completely lost the plot with a new design.2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
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18th Jun 2016 2:14 am
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Please spare us the Citroen comparison ....with the exception of the original DS and CX the rest were a bag of 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
18th Jun 2016 3:18 am
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Thank you for illustrating the XM's problem in a sentence there DG ; the general puplic's widespread ignorance of the limited list of the few genuine problems that the car had (and how a clever specialist could keep this car running perfectly for pretty average costs) would depreciate a two year old example of the XM down to similar age Mondeo money
On the other hand, the handsome CX and the technological masterpiece that was the DS were both as fragile (and as brave an ownership proposition) as their reputations would suggest!
Unfortunately, Citroen have built an unrelenting series of poo since 2001 and now that they have only recently discontinued their last car to use hydraulic suspension, they no longer have any good reason to exist.2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
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18th Jun 2016 5:43 am
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dantheman wrote:
MHP wrote:
Well away in Mexico at the moment and have met a chap who is involved heavily in building the D5 and it's bloody stunning!
The build date he has given us is the same as i got 6 months ago. Building should start in mid May to early June of 2016.
Preproduction cars in camo have been about for a while but will become more obvious in the next months or two
Mark
Unfortunately Mark it would seem the guy you spoke too should have gone to specsavers "Stunning" is not a word that can describe the pictures we are seeing and he is abit out on the timings as well
Shame really as it could have been a ground breaking design again.
Think that is down to the individual view, I like it from what you can see so far. One thing I do not like is the stupid black wheel arch trims. Do not like them on the DS either.
As for build dates, not so sure as he is that far out. Looking at the latest picture it would appear that may be they have run a few down a line already as the latest picture looks very close to the finished article to me, and if they had not had the issues on the production line with panel gaps then it may well have been in full production by now.MY17 D5 1st Edition Namib Orange
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Red Merle wrote:
Ever since then I've never let brand loyalty, optimism and seeing a shiny new car, shorn of its disguises for the first time, blind me to the evidence that a manufacturer might have completely lost the plot with a new design.
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"Stunning" is not a word that can describe the pictures we are seeing and he is abit out on the timings as well 
