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Looks like old news. Seen those ages ago.
21st Jul 2016 8:59 pm
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Echoing some of the thoughts made already, I really like the look of it based on the latest pics, just pretty concerned about the cost. I trust they know what they are doing, but having driven an XE with the 180 ingenium engine, I struggle to see it being man enough for a Disco - even a much lighter one.
21st Jul 2016 9:44 pm
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The Volvo uses a 2ltr don't think their has been too much outcry of underpowered?
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fat bloke wrote:
The Volvo uses a 2ltr don't think their has been too much outcry of underpowered?
I couldn't cope with the turbo...
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...lag when I considered one. Classic feel of a small engine with a large (twin) turbo. Plenty of power, just not quite at the right time!
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don't volvo have some fancy 2 litre turbo and supercharged plus electric thing going in the new XC90?XC90 T8 R Design Pro
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22nd Jul 2016 11:26 am
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Must say the XC90 is growing on me, interesting to hear the performance is good with the 4 pot 2.0d. Just love the smoothness of the v6D.
I-4 is the new V-6. As emissions and fuel consumption standards tighten, automakers have been downsizing engines across the board. While the 3.0-liter V-6 had been the baseline engine for premium automakers for years, that role belongs to the 2.0-liter inline four. That means the V-8 is fast becoming a specialty engine.
V-8s used to be relatively cost effective to produce, as they shared key pieces of hardware with V-6 engines. Now, as automakers look to apply that strategy to I-4s – upsizing the basic architecture to produce 3.0-liter I-6 engines and downsizing it to produce 1.5-liter I-3s – a new V-8 is now not only a tougher proposition from a regulatory perspective, but also more expensive to design and make.
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This backdrop explains a deal being hammered out between BMW and Jaguar Land Rover whereby the Bavarians will supply an upgraded version of its twin-turbo V-8 to the Brits for use in high-end Jaguar and Land Rover models. The current 4.4-liter BMW V-8 develops between 450 and 600 hp, depending on spec. A leaner, stronger, and torquier 4.0-liter variant is in the works, and it’s this engine that’s likely to appear in JLR vehicles.
At first glance, the deal would seem to favor JLR, which is developing I-6 and I-3 engines off the Ingenium I-4 architecture, and will ultimately need a new V-8 for its SVR Jaguars and Land Rovers. But decreasing demand and increasing costs means BMW has reached a point where it needs the added volume from a second player to make the business case for the V-8.
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Echoing some of the thoughts made already, I really like the look of it based on the latest pics, just pretty concerned about the cost. I trust they know what they are doing, but having driven an XE with the 180 ingenium engine, I struggle to see it being man enough for a Disco - even a much lighter one.
The XF is a far larger can & getting towards the mass in Kgs of what a Disco 5 will wiegh in at...
I used one for a day....really nice car to drive but as flat as a fart performance wise.....that slow off the mark its dangerous.BREXIT - done properly.
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I find your comments about 180bhp being slow off the mark and dangerous hard to believe. Although I suspect you have got this number wrong as jag do a 160bhp and a 197bhp XF sportbrake, not a 180bhp version. In recent years, cars have got ever more powerful - figures from Parkers/Wikipedia
Would you consider a D3 slow? well yes, it probably is, but not dangerously so - you drive to the vehicle limits. I also have the pleasure of driving a 90bhp saxo which has a similar bhp/tonne figure to the XF and I suspect much less torque - totally different car I appreciate and while yes its much slower than my D4, it certainly cant be described as dangerously slow.
A 2.0D Disco 5 will have 180-200+bhp (maybe both, who knows), will weigh about 2200kgs giving it a bhp/tonne somewhere between the D3 and an XF. That will be adequate for many, no doubt boosted by claims of super fuel economy. A backward step perhaps from a D4, but also perhaps a step up for many new customers which no doubt are also a big target for JLR.
25th Jul 2016 8:53 am
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A D5 2.0 will have at least 235hp to match the XC90, though 250hp is the figure that LR has spoke about in the past.
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25th Jul 2016 10:44 am
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If Land Rover Get the 4.4 V8 Twin Turbo from BMW, I believe that's the engine in the M5/M6 and that goes like a rocket ship!
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I can't believe that JLR will get the 4.4 V8 Twin Turbo from BMW, or any other engine from third parties, bearing in mind that they have spent in excess of £500 million, on the Ingenium manufacturing plant.
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