Demo'd the XC90 with 2.0 litre diesel and was shocked how much they've got out the engine, certainly didn't hang about!
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25th Jan 2016 7:29 pm
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RDR wrote:
Not so sure how a 2.0 litre will perform in that even if it is a lot lighter than a D4. The vents on the front don't look covered on that one.
I think it's reached the stage where LR are starting to show off more of the cars details. Looks too much like the RRS for my liking.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
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25th Jan 2016 8:27 pm
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Edfors wrote:
Togehter with a weght loss of 350 kg, I belive a 2 litre engine with 225 hp would perform well in line with D4 with a 255 hp engine.
..... until you stick a trailer with 3 ton on it behind you, then you notice those extra 2 cylinders.
25th Jan 2016 8:30 pm
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Edfors wrote:
Yes, all the new XC90 engines are 2.0 litres.
Diesel 2.0 225 hp 400 Nm
Petrol 2.0 320 hp 470 Nm
Diesel electrical hybrid 2.0 407 hp 640 Nm
I would expect the D5 to also come in a hybrid version.
Togehter with a weght loss of 350 kg, I belive a 2 litre engine with 225 hp would perform well in line with D4 with a 255 hp engine.
BHP figures alone are meaningless. The torque figure is everything, which is why the 2.0 litre diesel with 400Nm will always be a poor relation of a 3.0 with 600Nm. Even then, without seeing the torque curves on a dyno chart, even the torque figure can be misleading - the 3.0 is likely to produce its maximum torque lower down the rev range and over a broader range of revs than a 2.0 is ever going to manage.
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25th Jan 2016 8:41 pm
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There is a review of the XC90 in this month's Shooting Gazette and the journalist says that it would not be a suitable replacement for a D4 for several reasons, towing ability is but one. Never take life too seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
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25th Jan 2016 9:00 pm
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Interesting. What other reasons did they give?2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
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25th Jan 2016 9:05 pm
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2.0 with hybrid assistance may be ok, surely that would have the Umph but that said not sure for constant towing. I was hoping for a v6 hybrid at some point to get daily driving performance if not better than we have today and then hybrid assistance when you need more performance or this economy malarkey.MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten
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25th Jan 2016 9:14 pm
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Bill Wright wrote:
There is a review of the XC90 in this month's Shooting Gazette and the journalist says that it would not be a suitable replacement for a D4 for several reasons, towing ability is but one.
From a shooting point of view it was never a contender, it just doesn't have the off-road ability.DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
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25th Jan 2016 9:18 pm
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If JLR are putting a 2.0 diesel and 3.0 V6 diesel in the F-Pace then I'm sure the D5 will feature one.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
25th Jan 2016 9:22 pm
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Bill Wright wrote:
There is a review of the XC90 in this month's Shooting Gazette and the journalist says that it would not be a suitable replacement for a D4 for several reasons, towing ability is but one.
Volvo tried to get me into a new XC90 and I was very impressed until I found it was a 2.0 and could not see it pulling the TA caravan suitably so walked away.MY17 D5 1st Edition Namib Orange
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J77 wrote:
If JLR are putting a 2.0 diesel and 3.0 V6 diesel in the F-Pace then I'm sure the D5 will feature one.
just had a quick squint at the f pace build configurator. The 3.0 v6 diesel gives out 300ps and they also offer the 3.0 supercharged petrol giving 380ps wonder if they will offer those in that tune in D5 UK spec 8)
Mind you doesnt the RRS sdv6 variants all kick out 300hp or more and 700Nm surely given the same underpinnings this would be an option? The hybrid RRS has some good stats.MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten
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25th Jan 2016 10:30 pm
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I'd bet on there being a 2 litre diesel version with single speed transfer box for the school run crowd. I'd expect the 3 litre from the RRS with two speed transfer box. Non-UK markets will probably get the 3 litre supercharged petrol with a 2 litre petrol too to keep the overall emissions of the D5 range down.
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26th Jan 2016 12:06 am
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Diesel 2.0 225 hp 400 Nm
Petrol 2.0 320 hp 470 Nm
Diesel electrical hybrid 2.0 407 hp 640 Nm
I would expect the D5 to also come in a hybrid version.
Togehter with a weght loss of 350 kg, I belive a 2 litre engine with 225 hp would perform well in line with D4 with a 255 hp engine.
BHP figures alone are meaningless. The torque figure is everything, which is why the 2.0 litre diesel with 400Nm will always be a poor relation of a 3.0 with 600Nm. Even then, without seeing the torque curves on a dyno chart, even the torque figure can be misleading - the 3.0 is likely to produce its maximum torque lower down the rev range and over a broader range of revs than a 2.0 is ever going to manage.
3.0 V6's will disappear for sure, emissions legislation will see to that, but why trade a perfectly good V6 for a 2.0 long before we have no choice and were lumbered with them?
To expand on the above, BHP is the figure that indicates outright capability. HP is what gets the work done; torque tells you how it's going to be done. A powerful petrol engine is just as capable of towing as a diesel, but it needs to rev faster. That will be counteracted with correct gearing but will mean lower efficiency. In short, torque indicates the efficiency and general feel of towing.
Don't be too sure that larger engines will disappear so readily. The emmissions focus as regards the ICE is on particulates and NOx etc. and such pollutants are produced more in a small highly strung engine running hard than a more relaxed large engine with an easier life. There also comes a point where fuel consumption follows the same trend too. Current: Discovery 3 06MY (55 reg) HSE Auto Zambezi Silver Allisport Fast Road Intercooler, V8 Brakes, Silicone IC Hoses, EGRs Blanked, Remapped, De-Cat pipe, FBHIC
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26th Jan 2016 11:04 am
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Sorry, but thats not the case.
The relationship between BHP and torque is worth reading up on as its regularly misunderstood.2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
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