J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
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Having sat in the D5, I wouldn't say it was cramped. 23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
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 30th Dec 2016 8:37 pm |
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chalky
Member Since: 21 Aug 2008
Location: Yorkshire
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Me neither, I would say it was well laid out, about the right quality for a Discovery and in keeping with JLR's rounded aesthetics. Which is the reason why the Defender isnt being made anymore because they arent sympathetic to pedestrians.
Those awaiting the arrival of the new Defender 
If you are anticipting a vehicle shaped like a garden shed with a CD Factor of a brick that has no elbow room, a bettery housed beneath your Loved ones, water resistance of a wendy house with the build quality of a Lada are going to be sorely disappointed. Only dead fish go with the Flow !
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| 30th Dec 2016 9:25 pm |
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petersw
Member Since: 17 Nov 2012
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Agree with chalky Peter
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| 31st Dec 2016 7:11 am |
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chugga90
Member Since: 13 Aug 2014
Location: Buckinghamshire
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I think as you appear to sit lower in the D5, that's why it appears cramped from my own viewpoint.
I can say with all honesty it's not for me.
Based on looks, price and will be no commercial option.
I have owned many LR, products over the years. I have grown out of the Defender market due to leaks, poor space for user, noise etc.
I pin my only hope on buying another one on either a end of model commercial D4 or if they do a good job with the replacement Defender.
I am not looking for a barn on wheels, perhaps a cross between the DC100 concept and the current or now ended D4?
Just seems very sad that LR only build clones of the same design now. Character and individual design merit seems lacking and hopefully will be addressed on the next model they plan!
Get that right and train the dealers better could be perfect for LR. Discovery commercial tdv6 auto 2013
Volkswagen t6 lwb Kombi dsg 4motion 2018
Volkswagen t5.1 lwb single cab tipper 2013
Discovery commercial sdv6 auto 2014 gone and not really missed.
Range Rover Tdv8 gone
Freelander 2 I6 very sadly gone
VW t5 Dsg gone and missed
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| 31st Dec 2016 8:40 am |
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Moo
D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
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You're right, LR has diminished the brand. It will only be able to trade on its legacy for a limited period. Look at SAAB and how it tried to use its areospace past to enhance the brand. It lost out because it went mainstream and was just a rebadged Vauxhaul. What made it different had gone. D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!) Sold
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner 
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
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| 31st Dec 2016 8:49 am |
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petersw
Member Since: 17 Nov 2012
Location: Norfolk
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I thought I was sitting higher, did you get the Landrover people to set it at Drive height & adjust the seat?
When stopped the normal parked position is auto Access height. Peter
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| 31st Dec 2016 9:28 am |
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RDR
Member Since: 24 Mar 2013
Location: Derbyshire
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Ride height is a tad higher in normal mode but you sit lower in the cabin, the Command driving position is not quite as pronounced as in the D4, its still there but not as much. We did lots of testing around this at the dealer event in and out to the carpark as they wouldn't let me roll my D4 into the showroom when i asked  MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten
MY12 HSE - Gone
MY16 HSE Luxury - Sold
MY20 D5 HSE - Sold
Current RR L460 PHEV
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| 31st Dec 2016 9:32 am |
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petersw
Member Since: 17 Nov 2012
Location: Norfolk
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Perhaps it's the seats being more comfy that gave that impression? 
I "judged" Command position slightly (after raising seat) higher. But for sure there is not a lot in it. Peter
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| 31st Dec 2016 9:54 am |
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G_Cam
Member Since: 12 Aug 2010
Location: Fife
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Having looked at the new D5 ....
I am sure everyone* will join me in congratulating JLR for their innovative design and 'urban camouflage' look... I'm sure everyone* in the company* will look forward to a massive sales increase and increased profits in 2017 and beyond.. 
NB* The term 'Everyone' and 'The Company', in this case donates Ssanyong 1 TR6 Rusting away quietly
1 FARR UTV SOLD
1 International Harvester SOLD
7 x D3 all SOLD
2 x D4 both SOLD
1 x Mrs D4 'Panther' SOLD
1 x Outlander van SOLD
1 continual stream of car parts and me living in the garage...
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| 31st Dec 2016 9:56 am |
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RDR
Member Since: 24 Mar 2013
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petersw wrote:Perhaps it's the seats being more comfy that gave that impression?
I "judged" Command position slightly (after raising seat) higher. But for sure there is not a lot in it.
It is close, one good thing with being lower for me was i could see the top of the dash binnacle MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten
MY12 HSE - Gone
MY16 HSE Luxury - Sold
MY20 D5 HSE - Sold
Current RR L460 PHEV
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| 31st Dec 2016 9:58 am |
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jimbg
Member Since: 19 Apr 2013
Location: UK
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G_Cam wrote:Having looked at the new D5 ....
I am sure everyone* will join me in congratulating JLR for their innovative design and 'urban camouflage' look... I'm sure everyone* in the company* will look forward to a massive sales increase and increased profits in 2017 and beyond..
NB* The term 'Everyone' and 'The Company', in this case donates Ssanyong
Glad you like it.
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| 31st Dec 2016 11:30 am |
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J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
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Popped into the dealers this morning to pick up a brochure. I've got a couple of doubts which hopefully the test drive will cure. 23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
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| 31st Dec 2016 2:30 pm |
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chalky
Member Since: 21 Aug 2008
Location: Yorkshire
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Chugga90, i have no doubt that the new DEFENDER will be better and more user friendly than the one that has just ceased production. The only problem is Genuine enthusiasts dont want user friendly, comfy, or safe. Most of the people i've spoken to would glady be burried in their DEFENDER than buy what is yet to come.
I've driven every Incarnation of Defender, Lightweight's, 3/4 Tonny's, 1 tonners, 6 wheeled 130's, 90's, 110's and everything in-between, they are a Death trap. i've been in them when things have gone wrong and they are not safe "Thats just mine and a few others opinions" as most people just like to believe that you are their crumple zone. Which is great until you get T boned by a HGV and your Son is in the back.
Any way, this is just a storm in a Tea cup compared to what will be bounded about when the new DEFENDER breaks cover. From what i can see and what i've heard the D5 is aimed at Families as oposed to Overland Expeditions and brewing up on the Tailgate. You would think then that the new DEFENDER will plug that gap, the Commercial gap and Military aspects as well.
Fingers Crossed. Only dead fish go with the Flow !
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| 31st Dec 2016 4:06 pm |
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petersw
Member Since: 17 Nov 2012
Location: Norfolk
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Re. Saab
They had the best car in the 1960's
Pity they failed to modernise like the rest..... hopefully Landrover won't fall into that trap & will keep investing & improving. Peter
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| 31st Dec 2016 4:20 pm |
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jimbg
Member Since: 19 Apr 2013
Location: UK
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J77 wrote:Popped into the dealers this morning to pick up a brochure. I've got a couple of doubts which hopefully the test drive will cure.
J77 is it a new version or the same as the original download version?
That was:-
Jaguar Land Rover Limited 2016.
Publication Number:
1L4621710CCSBGBEN01P
There is no brochure to download at the moment, so I was wondering if it was changing?
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| 31st Dec 2016 4:28 pm |
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