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highlands wrote:
They are pretty much definitive numbers, except they don't include sheep offal. Those figures are available, but you've decided not to show them.
The figures you showed are actual imported/exported weights.
The tariff free quota is based on carcass weight equivalent, which is roughly 15-20% higher than the dressed weights.
I know this is complicated stuff and you (like you accuse Brexiters of) like things dumbed down, but there are various ways of assessing the figures and are correct if quoted in context.
When discussing tariff rate quotas it is generally accepted (except by you DG, obviously) that carcass weight equivalent is used.
Please stop suggesting that I have 'chosen to not show' them in such a manner ...these are the figures supplied by the legislated sector body who appear to choose to display the figures as I have shown...but if you do want to make a song and dance about offal then you would know that of the import of offal does not equate to anywhere near your figures.
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In 2017
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the UK continues to import more sheep offal than it exports.... at just under seven thousand tonnes..... Nearly 90 per cent of the imports originate from New Zealand...
Hardly what you suggest would relate to France...unless of course the legislated body are complicit in dumbing down the figures.
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I find it odd that people in Scotland who voted to leave to “take back control” are the same people who are happy to be ruled by a different governmentMy D3 Build Thread
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Ray Clayton wrote:
brightsparking
If am correct here.
Westminster is the parliment of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
So that is where the powers should go to first surely.
Wales and Scotland also have parliment.
Northern Ireland has one, but in a bit of a mess at the moment.
But
I have never known England in my life time having a parliment of it's own.
So Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, MP's have always been able to tell us English what we can and cannot do.
Still the same know making law's telling us what to do.
Remember the EU made this clear.
The UK joined the UK is leaving.
Nothing to do with the devolved parliment's
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What is the row about?
Whitehall analysis has identified 153 areas where policy in devolved areas is currently decided in Brussels.
The UK government's Brexit bill had initially proposed returning all of these to Westminster immediately after Brexit.
But it has recently put forward changes that would see the "vast majority" of those EU powers instead returning directly from Brussels to Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast.
This would include in areas such as carbon capture, water quality and energy efficiency.
But it has named 24 devolved policy areas where it wants to retain power temporarily in the wake of Britain's exit from the bloc, including in areas such as agriculture, fisheries, food labelling and public procurement.
The UK government says this is necessary to avoid different parts of the UK having different food hygiene or safety regulations.
But the Scottish and Welsh governments have repeatedly accused the UK government of a "power grab", and have introduced their own Brexit legislation in their respective parliaments.
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DG wrote:
Please stop suggesting that I have 'chosen to not show' them in such a manner ...these are the figures supplied by the legislated sector body who appear to choose to display the figures as I have shown...
So, for example, your definitive figures show imports for 2016 of 89,580 tonnes.
However, the figures supplied by the same body show imports in 2016 of 109,000 tonnes.
If you wish to continue to spar on this then please show me your figures and sources and I will take it on the chin
I do not wish for you to take it on the chin, but rather a handshake that indeed there are 2 ways of showing the figures dressed vs carcase weight and maybe take the slight jab that tariff rate quotas, which is where this tangent started off, are expressed in carcase equivalent weight.Black 05 TDV6 HSE Auto
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OK ..OK I see where you are coming from about CWE ..but I still maintain with a rib blow that what the figures do demonstrate in 7.2 is that the French product is not that significant ...which is where we started 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
14th Mar 2018 1:10 pm
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Ding ding!
I am a sheepmeat producer, but they only travel as far as the paddock to freezer so I'll be glad to stop going through the AHDB site! Black 05 TDV6 HSE Auto
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Timely:
Stephen Hawking said that-
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Brexit would be a ‘disaster for UK science’ and he was one of 150 fellows of the Royal Society who signed a letter to a national newspaper calling for people to consider the benefit of European funding on UK science and research.
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Will there be any brexiteers around in 2064 to finish paying for this mistake?
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Less than 4 years net contributions over the next 45 years.
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No doubt your children will be fine. Let's hope that's the case with all the UK children, but it might not be. Interesting article on the subject:
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We aren't in Schengen, but we do participate, other than some immigration aspects, in the Schengen Information System.
What is it about the EU that means the EU is considered not wishing to continue sharing data, especially given the UKs prowess in such things as intelligence data gathering/processing?Black 05 TDV6 HSE Auto
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highlands wrote:
How ever will my children manage?
I don't expect them to pay for it all ! 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
14th Mar 2018 5:20 pm
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highlands wrote:
We aren't in Schengen, but we do participate, other than some immigration aspects, in the Schengen Information System.
What is it about the EU that means the EU is considered not wishing to continue sharing data, especially given the UKs prowess in such things as intelligence data gathering/processing?
I wasn't expecting your approval
You could email the author Kate Green and point that out.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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The US police work with Europol, I wasn't aware they were in the EU? I can't imagine that the EU wouldn't cooperate with us and they seem to work closely with our Intelligence services when you look at Terrorist attacks?
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