Moo
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tcr4x4 wrote:Moo wrote:Does it matter whether it's physical or psychological? Why does it matter how people identify?
It doesn’t matter how THEY identify.. it’s when they start dictating to YOU how YOU should speak, what you can and can’t say to them and the rest.. They are free to be what they want to be, but you aren’t free to say what you want to them.
We aren’t all physic, if you look like a man, I’ll probably call you sir.. now a days that can get you fired, which is just plain ridiculous... be what you want, but don’t expect other people to pander to you because of it.
I get that. Its certainly a challenge as society adjusts to new ways of thinking. For me it's about respect, tolerance and understanding and that goes both ways. D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
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Quote:bigdave wrote:
WTF is a Demi Lovato.
It sounds like a type of swanky coffee to me.
Back in my day you had coffee white or black. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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19th May 2021 3:21 pm |
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Dimcandle
Member Since: 06 Feb 2020
Location: North Wales
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Moo wrote:Does it matter whether it's physical or psychological? Why does it matter how people identify?
By and large it is of no consequence to me
However it does produce the odd problem like male athletes deciding to self identify as women for competetive advantage.
I would like to self identify as the heir to Bill Gate's fortune but I'm not entirely convinced it would hold up in court.....
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19th May 2021 3:31 pm |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
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Moo wrote:tcr4x4 wrote:Moo wrote:Does it matter whether it's physical or psychological? Why does it matter how people identify?
It doesn’t matter how THEY identify.. it’s when they start dictating to YOU how YOU should speak, what you can and can’t say to them and the rest.. They are free to be what they want to be, but you aren’t free to say what you want to them.
We aren’t all physic, if you look like a man, I’ll probably call you sir.. now a days that can get you fired, which is just plain ridiculous... be what you want, but don’t expect other people to pander to you because of it.
I get that. Its certainly a challenge as society adjusts to new ways of thinking. For me it's about respect, tolerance and understanding and that goes both ways.
When I was born, homosexuality was still illegal in the UK.
I'd like to think that society can adapt to accept more than two genders. It's only a
Western culture and its religions that historically has such a rigid two gender system. Plenty of other cultures across the globe accept that is too simplistic for the reality of the situation. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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19th May 2021 3:31 pm |
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Minemapper
Member Since: 28 Apr 2021
Location: Yarm
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As the parent of a teenager who identifies as non-binary and uses the they/them pronouns, the last year has been an interesting journey. For the most part, people have been great at adjusting to their new name and desired form of address, including their school and most of our friends. Although we still slip up occasionally, altering the way we speak to and about them hasn't been a big problem, and certainly none of us see it as 'pandering'.
All it takes is a little respect and understanding of others. I find the people that have the biggest problem with it are also the ones that struggle to understand any other worldview that does not align very closely with their own.
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19th May 2021 4:09 pm |
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Hardware
Member Since: 28 Jun 2016
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LT wrote:Quote:bigdave wrote:
WTF is a Demi Lovato.
It sounds like a type of swanky coffee to me.
Back in my day you had coffee white or black.
based on the limited music I did at school, it's just half a Lovato. Makes a noise for half the length of time a full Lovato does.
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19th May 2021 4:15 pm |
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Hardware
Member Since: 28 Jun 2016
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strangely, when this ultra-important news first appeared on the BBC website, they used a picture where, IMHO, "they" looked like a bloke in drag.
been changed now.
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19th May 2021 4:21 pm |
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LT
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Minemapper wrote:As the parent of a teenager who identifies as non-binary and uses the they/them pronouns, the last year has been an interesting journey. For the most part, people have been great at adjusting to their new name and desired form of address, including their school and most of our friends. Although we still slip up occasionally, altering the way we speak to and about them hasn't been a big problem, and certainly none of us see it as 'pandering'.
All it takes is a little respect and understanding of others. I find the people that have the biggest problem with it are also the ones that struggle to understand any other worldview that does not align very closely with their own.
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19th May 2021 5:03 pm |
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J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
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I couldn’t care less but respect works both ways. 23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
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DG
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Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
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Minemapper wrote:As the parent of a teenager who identifies as non-binary and uses the they/them pronouns, the last year has been an interesting journey. For the most part, people have been great at adjusting to their new name and desired form of address, including their school and most of our friends. Although we still slip up occasionally, altering the way we speak to and about them hasn't been a big problem, and certainly none of us see it as 'pandering'.
All it takes is a little respect and understanding of others. I find the people that have the biggest problem with it are also the ones that struggle to understand any other worldview that does not align very closely with their own.
Can you imagine the controversy if someone wanted to label themselves as 'terryall' or 'HWN' or even 'BigDave' 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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19th May 2021 9:03 pm |
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Minemapper
Member Since: 28 Apr 2021
Location: Yarm
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😂
Heaven forbid they want to identify as a Land Rover owner.
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19th May 2021 9:08 pm |
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terryall
Member Since: 17 Jun 2011
Location: Whitstable
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We bad!
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19th May 2021 9:09 pm |
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DG
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Would you have a problem in addressing a Ms, Miss or Mrs, dependent on their self declared status and desire of how you should address them...I think that has been accepted over a long period of time. What is the difference 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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