2016 Discovery 4 Landmark
2011 Mercedes Benz SL350 (R230)
1973 MG B GT V8 - 3.9L John Eales engine, 5 speed R380 gearbox, since 1975.
1959 MGA roadster - 1.9L Peter Burgess Engine - 5 speed gearbox
Past LRs - Multiple FFRs, Discos & a Series I - some petrol, some diesel,
none Electric or H2 fuel cell - yet.
There are 10 types of people in this world: Those who understand binary, and those who don’t.
Can you imagine the controversy if someone wanted to label themselves as 'terryall' or 'HWN' or even 'BigDave'
I still have flashbacks to checking into a hotel in Amesbury circa 2007 and announcing to the receptionist "it will be in the name of No Dosh"
Funnily enough they were keen I pay up front.I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
20th May 2021 5:00 pm
LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
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2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
20th May 2021 5:31 pm
RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
Posts: 13553
NJSS wrote:
She is very vocal about it all. Started off about men competing against women. But it's obviously more than that for her.
Someone ought to point out to her that if there is only one man and one woman, we're knackered anyway. Not enough genetic separation. But then details have never mattered to people of prejudice. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
There are three instances of "Sharron Davies" on this page and Dean hasn't jumped in with a photo....
Insufficient genetic separation? Doesn't that mean webbed-feet = unfair competition at swimming galas? That Sharron Davies will have something to say about that...
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20th May 2021 8:54 pm
RogB
Member Since: 15 Jun 2018
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LT wrote:
RogB wrote:
I have no objections to anyone thinking/being/naming what ever they feel they need for themselves, but i do object strongly to having my life dictated to, being told what i must think and me not being allowed to have my own reasoned opinions.
Everyone can think what they like and have their own opinions.
A problem may arise if what you say is either illegal and/or against the policies of your employer or company that you are contracted to.
rightly so a problem should arise for any of the above reasons, but im more on about things like me saying something like ''I only believe in male/female but everyone is different and i have no problem with that'' and then being reprimanded or abused or prosecuted for saying it as its offensive.
Its my opinion and so long as i dont step over the line with voicing my opinion then whats the problem, but unfortunately that ethos only seems to work one way.
I would never abuse or berate someone who is outside what i view as the 'normal' in any subject matter as its each to their own.2011 D4 XS 305 MY12 - gone but not forgotten
Its my opinion and so long as i dont step over the line with voicing my opinion then whats the problem, but unfortunately that ethos only seems to work one way.
There are some 'holy cow' subjects where it is almost heretical to disagree. If I cannot say to someone that I think they are wrong [on any subject] then that person and I are not equal, surely?
I've said it before and I'm going to say it again: social-media makes it possible for people to exist in an online bubble where they only ever view opinions aligning with their own interests. Bots, algorithms and other beasties only ever recommend to people the content they think will be of interest (driving click-throughs and advertising revenue) which is a positive feedback loop. When people only ever see opinions that reflect their own views, it only convinces them further that they are right and people who don't have the same views are, therefore, wrong = heresy. Where I can, I actively seek out views that might be different to mine, even though it makes me angry at times. Off-platforming, cancel-culture and the rest are just ways of avoiding having to deal with the fact that other people have different views. Where is the respect there?
Is identity politics filling an ideological void left by the collapse of religion? Maybe. They certainly have things in common.
Having your own opinions means respecting the opinions of others. Imposition of unassailable "truths" is actually quite worrying. Not far from here is a café that advertises "free speech available here" - you can discuss anything over a cup of tea if you wish. Healthy debate with a referee and biscuits - what's not to like?!
Equal rights not special rights?
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21st May 2021 7:43 am
john watson
Member Since: 10 Nov 2011
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We tend to be the sum of our past experiences! As for the collapse or religion look on that as a positive as you will no longer be subject of to the Inquisition and burned at the stake for heresy! Irresponsible media coverage has a lot to answer for. Cornerstones of democracy, freedom of speech and freedom of choice. Limit these and we are on the slippery slope to anarchy.Once you have defeated the idiots any job is half done. Pity there are so many idiots to defeat.
21st May 2021 7:57 am
LT
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Isn’t acceptance of other genders a greater freedom of choice and speech?2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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21st May 2021 8:04 am
john watson
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Of or than?Once you have defeated the idiots any job is half done. Pity there are so many idiots to defeat.
21st May 2021 8:28 am
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Over the last 25 years I have engaged with the LGBT+ community many many times and not once have any one of those people tried to influence my thought or instructed me to refer to them in a particular manner. In my experience, they are brave individuals just trying to get on in a world with much prejudice against them.
Having the guts to be open and stand up for who you believe you are engages far more respect from me than to those who probably haven't even come into contact with those that they object to and seemingly can't cope with the concept of live and let live.21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
21st May 2021 8:37 am
RRSTDV8
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It's worth remembering that lots of people who talk about "freedom of speech" when defending their right to say things about others, forget that with that freedom comes the responsibility for what you say and the effect it may have on others.
With rights and privileges come responsibility and accountability.Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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Over the last 25 years I have engaged with the LGBT+ community many many times
Is this how you ended up with people thinking your name was Neil for so long?I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
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angry at times. Off-platforming, cancel-culture and the rest are just ways of avoiding having to deal with the fact that other people have different views. Where is the respect there?
