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terryall
Member Since: 17 Jun 2011
Location: Whitstable
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On a serious note - as the father of a gay son I've had to put up with, and he, all sorts of comments from bigoted idiots who still live in the 1950's or before. It has been illuminating how ignorant some people can be but usually I keep quiet and watch. Can't say the same for my son who is over 6', strong and fit, vocal, intelligent and will rip just about any adverse comment about minorities to pieces which I have witnessed and thought " that's my boy". I've known he is gay since he was about 12 and he angst to tell me as I was formerly very sporty which he thought had some influence on my understanding of others. Never a problem with me and we have formed a special bond which is great.
Having said that - I'm at the beginning of the journey in understanding non binary people and being known as they or them. It doesn't bother me in the least but, as usual, we stand at a distance from that we are not familiar with - but give it time........so I am somewhat embarrassed to think I started a thread lightly mocking others wishes that I am not familiar with and fell into the trap of using 'humour' as a shield.
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 19th May 2021 9:32 pm |
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galwaygreen
Member Since: 30 Oct 2011
Location: plymouth
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normal..and hoping to stay that way....do wonder which way the BBC are going...
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| 19th May 2021 9:35 pm |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
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Society is just evolving, as it always has. With religion having far less of a hold over society than it once did, some things are evolving faster. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
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| 19th May 2021 9:50 pm |
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DG
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Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
Posts: 50978
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galwaygreen wrote:normal..and hoping to stay that way....do wonder which way the BBC are going...
Have you read your own posts   21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 19th May 2021 10:41 pm |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
Posts: 13553
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galwaygreen wrote:normal..and hoping to stay that way....do wonder which way the BBC are going...
Which normal is that? Traditional normal, new normal or even your own definition of normal?  Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 19th May 2021 10:46 pm |
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CongoBoy
Member Since: 05 Mar 2019
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 529
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Beat me to it!! 2008 D3 HSE Stornoway Grey (UK)
2008 D3 HSE Izmir Blue- South African Spec. (Zimbabwe)
2005 FFRR SC V8- Java Black
1995 D1 300 Tdi Blue - (Sourced from the UK, shipped to Namibia, driven by me to RD Congo, then Zambia, now retired in Zimbabwe)
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| 19th May 2021 10:50 pm |
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Moo
D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
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galwaygreen wrote:normal..and hoping to stay that way....do wonder which way the BBC are going...
The question is, what's normal? The BBC will just reflect society. What are you scared of?
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| 19th May 2021 10:53 pm |
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galwaygreen
Member Since: 30 Oct 2011
Location: plymouth
Posts: 6525
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dinosaur star of the show in london museum
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| 19th May 2021 10:59 pm |
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defector
Member Since: 23 Feb 2009
Location: Greater Manchester
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So when i refer to someone as 'it', no-one can have a go at me?
Things are looking up.
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| 20th May 2021 12:31 am |
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Moo
D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
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galwaygreen wrote:dinosaur star of the show in london museum
But representing the past... D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!) Sold
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
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| 20th May 2021 1:25 am |
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Minemapper
Member Since: 28 Apr 2021
Location: Yarm
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defector wrote:So when i refer to someone as 'it', no-one can have a go at me?
Things are looking up.
If that’s what they have told you they want to be referred to as, go for it.
I’ll admit I struggled a bit when my child’s choice was announced casually over dinner last summer. The world they are experiencing is a different one than the one I grew up in. Teenagers have a hard enough time figuring it out anyway. If accepting their new chosen name and pronouns is what it takes to give them the confidence to go out and take on the world, I think that’s a pretty easy choice.
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| 20th May 2021 6:27 am |
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V8man
Member Since: 01 Jan 2021
Location: Dunno i was just following the satnav😳
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terryall wrote:WTF! Demi Lovato ( who she) has announced that she is now non binary and in future will be referred to as they/them as opposed to she/her. She is also pansexual which, apparently, means she is attracted to people of any gender.
I tried this new approach on my wife but thought I should tone it down a little lest she got upset. So I called her by shouting " Oy! You" and she smashed me in the face. Am I missing something?
Yet more tripe from famous tw:censored: s
Still laughing at your comment re , the missus 1996 Defender -died (now in landrover heaven😇)chassis to ashes , rust to dust !
2004 Defender td5 gone
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| 20th May 2021 7:32 am |
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astonbuilder
Member Since: 29 Sep 2006
Location: MIDLANDS
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respect, tolerance, be your own thing, that's all fine, don't think many people on here (even us old dinosaurs) haver a problem with that but when you see/hear/read people disciplined or sacked or 'non-platformed' for making a comment (whether intentionally stating a 'fact' or accidentally) it starts to get a bit 'ridiculous'.
Latest one? Train announcer comes over tannoy with "Good morning Ladies, gentlemen, girls and boys" and one complaint from (I think) someone who identifies as non-binary and the company goes into meltdown issuing public apologies and talk of 're-training' all staff, etc.
Now that response is where it gets ridiculous. Is any announcement to be completely neutral ("good morning passengers") or to be fully compliant and offend nobody it should list the 100+ (?) currently 'recognised' pronouns. Yet another example of the minority taking a precedent over the majority and it is that which tends to get people miffed, not what they identify themselves as
I don't expect to be called 'sir' or 'Mr' in any interaction but do take umbrage at the almost universal use of "you guys" (I'd generally say this is a phenomena of the restaurant trade) but I am sure I would be considered pompous if I went "er, excuse me, it's Mr to you, bring me the manager and the newspapers, I want to make a formal complaint"
The world has gone mad 
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| 20th May 2021 8:55 am |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
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The train company response will be an attempt to prevent someone suing them. "We've taken action, look!". In reality, the training will probably just be someone saying "Look Bob, just say "good morning" and leave it at that from now on, eh?". There'll be a paper trail, of course, but that'll be the crux of it.
I'm with you on the "you guys" thing. That feels like something that has come over the Atlantic from our US cousins. My mother always gives her very best Paddington Bear stare if someone uses that phrase.  Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 20th May 2021 9:05 am |
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Moo
D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 14414
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I like ‘you guys’. It’s relaxed and informal. D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!) Sold
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
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| 20th May 2021 9:09 am |
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