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caverD3
Member Since: 02 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
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If you didn't ask for the updates then ask them to take them off.  (I don't think they could undo anyway) “There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
Ernest Hemmingway
D4 3.0 Active Diff, Adaptive Lights, High Beam Assist, Surround Cameras, Privacy Glass.
D3 2.7:Adaptive Headlights,Electronic Rear Diff,ARB Bar,Blaupunkt Speakers,JVC Powered Subwoofer,Removable Snorkel,Mitch Hitch,Pioneer After Market Head Unit,Steering Wheel Control Adaptor,Remote Adjustable Supension Rod System, Taxside Dual Battery System.
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 4th Aug 2010 9:10 am |
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Martin Krutli
Member Since: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 229
 
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There seems to be an amazing range in reliability/problems between vehicles. I'm getting towards the end of the 3yr warantee and admittedly have only done about 45,000K's - but the one problem has been 2 blown tail lights - oh and I'm about to take it in because there's a bit of coolant weeping from where a hose attaches to the radiator. It hasn't even needed wheel aligning.
Of that distance about a third to a half has been towing a fairly heavy off-road camper trailer and loaded up with drawer systems and the like - a lot in off-road conditions.
Mark, I'm not sure what year your's is but mine's an MT08 (delivered late 07) and I'm wondering if the later models have much better reliability.
Cheers,
Martin MY08 TDV6 SE. White/Alpaca. BFG265/65/18 At's
Autologic, Trackside Dual Battery syst., Remote GME UHF, 4X4 Intelligence rear wheel carrier, Boab removable rear drawer system w National Luna fridge, Mitchell Bros hitch.
Rasta Plate. 110L LRA long-range fuel tank.
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| 4th Aug 2010 11:46 am |
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MarkTaylor
Member Since: 28 Dec 2006
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 185
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My V6 petrol is MY06. Build date is August 06. When I researched before I bought it I found that all cars built from June 06 onwards had (supposedly) all the initial teething problems solved.
I believe the diffs and tranny problems are due to lack of checking of fluid levels at scheduled services by the dealer.
Cheers
Mark Taylor Nothing of any value is ever achieved without some sacrifice.
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| 4th Aug 2010 10:21 pm |
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caverD3
Member Since: 02 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
Posts: 6922
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My thinking was th same as yours when I bought. We got second build.
The CANBUS system as changed in the MY07 build and solved many of the electronic faults. Generally bthe later the build the less issues have been found.
Diffs have various reasons for failing but the two mainones are, blocked breater tubes and diff oil contamination caused by the antrust coating on the casings.
Transmissions should be flushed as part of the service shedule. “There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
Ernest Hemmingway
D4 3.0 Active Diff, Adaptive Lights, High Beam Assist, Surround Cameras, Privacy Glass.
D3 2.7:Adaptive Headlights,Electronic Rear Diff,ARB Bar,Blaupunkt Speakers,JVC Powered Subwoofer,Removable Snorkel,Mitch Hitch,Pioneer After Market Head Unit,Steering Wheel Control Adaptor,Remote Adjustable Supension Rod System, Taxside Dual Battery System.
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| 5th Aug 2010 12:11 am |
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MarkTaylor
Member Since: 28 Dec 2006
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 185
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caverD3 wrote:
Transmissions should be flushed as part of the service shedule.
At how many KM do you think they should be flushed?
I spoke to my dealer while the car was still under LRA warranty as the shifting had become very harsh. He assured me that flushing wasn't necessary. Eventually at 66K and out of LRA warranty by 3 months they decided the tranny was cactus.
Cheers
Mark Taylor
P.S. Because I bought an extended warranty at the dealer's suggestion; LRA will have nothing to do with me when I suggest to them that my car might be a lemon because of the list of faults.
I have 2 friends with Disco 2 and RR who advised me very strongly not to buy a Disco 3 because of their experiences. In both cases it wasn't so much the problems with the cars but rather Land Rovers attitude to them.
In the past few weeks I have come across 2 other D3 owners and a RRS owner who are so cheesed off with their 4 wheel drive lemons they want to take the story to A Current Affair. Nothing of any value is ever achieved without some sacrifice.
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| 5th Aug 2010 2:06 am |
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~Rich~
Member Since: 16 Mar 2009
Location: Sydney
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As a 4wd I love the D3, so nice to drive yet still very capable.
I have had my 05 model for 15mths, yes I've had a couple of issues but nothing I would point that the car is to being a Lemon!
I have owned a 79 two door Rangie, it too was fantastic for it's time. However when anyone ever used to ask me do I recommend buying one I'd say -
" Are you a person who just likes to jump in and drive, not having to think or monitor their vehicle? If yes buy a Toyota!
If you listen to your vehicle, look for possible problems and are a general car nut / enthusiast then yes by all means buy a LandRover or Rangie."
They require some TLC 
Love mine!
BTW my mechanic now recommends changing the Auto fluid every 50 - 60,000 klms. 2014 SDV6 HSE White, LLAMS Height Controller, Tinted Glass, Tuff Ant Sliders and 18" steel wheels, Safari Snorkel, Rhino Rack Platform, ARB Air Compressor, Custom Drawer and storage unit -http://www.box.com/s/jem0ilac3cner2mexq64 UHF CB, 4x4 Intellegence RWC, 120ltr Long range tank, Rock Sliders and Compressor protection plate Beanie grill, De Tango.
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| 5th Aug 2010 2:53 am |
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Neil Pettersen
Member Since: 23 Nov 2007
Location: Cutting the grass
Posts: 1254
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MarkTaylor wrote:I believe the diffs problems are due to lack of checking of fluid levels at scheduled services by the dealer.
My front diff is due for replacement ( ETA next week ) having failed at 32000km and 30 months.
The problem with this rubbish is that the case hardening process is inadequate . The replacement
is as likely to fail as the original. These diffs are filled to a volume not a level , so there's little
way to tell what's a correct original fill. I doubt many people would bother looking in an oil resevoir
to check the level , if there's no sign of leakage.
As for later build ; the CANBUS is probably the only true change that's significant.....
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| 5th Aug 2010 4:51 am |
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Neil Pettersen
Member Since: 23 Nov 2007
Location: Cutting the grass
Posts: 1254
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caverD3 wrote: ..............and diff oil contamination caused by the antirust coating on the casings.
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The interesting aspect of that A ,is the diff oil is GL5 class , which renders steel " rust-proof" due to it's
high sulphur ( 6% I think .... ) compound content.
The new diffs. have no sealant coating , but also fail. I think the manufacturer can't quality control
their metal-hardening process , but why do LRUK tolerate this ! At 6 years , mine will be someone
elses problem . 
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| 5th Aug 2010 5:04 am |
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MarkTaylor
Member Since: 28 Dec 2006
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 185
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The new diffs. have no sealant coating , but also fail. I think the manufacturer can't quality control
their metal-hardening process , but why do LRUK tolerate this ! At 6 years , mine will be someone
elses problem . [/quote]
Why do LR tolerate this? From my experience they don't give a toss about the owners. The only communications I get from LRA these days are newsletters and emails trying to sell me a Discovery 4.
As a friend of mine says... "Words are only words, phrases are only phrases; performance is the only reality!"
And my experience is that LRA's performance is pathetic.... they truly don't care about their customers. No, I've got that wrong.. they actively seek to  them off by pretending from LRA down through the dealer network that all these failures are normal.
I will get the suspension fixed and by March next year it will be gone. My running costs including lease have been $1.05 plus GST per kilometre. (I used to be in fleet management) If I need to replace the diffs again or the auto then God help my budget.
I just cannot believe that other D3 owners have drunk the Kool-aid and just accept this poor quality car as being an acceptable motoring product.
Cheers
Mark Taylor Nothing of any value is ever achieved without some sacrifice.
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| 5th Aug 2010 5:26 am |
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jonesy63
Member Since: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Didn't we have a lovely time, the day we went to ...
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MarkTaylor wrote:...LRA's performance is pathetic.... they truly don't care about their customers. No, I've got that wrong.. they actively seek to them off by pretending from LRA down through the dealer network that all these failures are normal.
In my experience - the failures are always: "the first time they've ever seen that happen!"
Yeah, right...
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| 5th Aug 2010 7:12 am |
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caverD3
Member Since: 02 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
Posts: 6922
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There are some issues that have been fixed. Lower control arm and strong ball joint is one. Changed ARB bushes and the compessors have been updated about four times.
Failure rate seems to ber hit and miss really but I have found LR fixed any failures under warranty with less drama tan many manuafactures.
But it seems that they are less flexible if they say no initially and not good at commaunicating with customers. . The brakes issue is the one that really satands out as arrogant. And don't start me on them trying to stop my suspension mod.  “There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
Ernest Hemmingway
D4 3.0 Active Diff, Adaptive Lights, High Beam Assist, Surround Cameras, Privacy Glass.
D3 2.7:Adaptive Headlights,Electronic Rear Diff,ARB Bar,Blaupunkt Speakers,JVC Powered Subwoofer,Removable Snorkel,Mitch Hitch,Pioneer After Market Head Unit,Steering Wheel Control Adaptor,Remote Adjustable Supension Rod System, Taxside Dual Battery System.
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| 5th Aug 2010 7:47 am |
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MarkTaylor
Member Since: 28 Dec 2006
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 185
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jonesy63 wrote:MarkTaylor wrote:...LRA's performance is pathetic.... they truly don't care about their customers. No, I've got that wrong.. they actively seek to them off by pretending from LRA down through the dealer network that all these failures are normal.
In my experience - the failures are always: "the first time they've ever seen that happen!"
Yeah, right...
Yes... I have heard the "first time we've seen that crap too". Like the suspension compressor.. I have had 3 replacements so far.
"That is unusual" they told me.
Mark Taylor Nothing of any value is ever achieved without some sacrifice.
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| 5th Aug 2010 8:10 am |
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Neil Pettersen
Member Since: 23 Nov 2007
Location: Cutting the grass
Posts: 1254
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MarkTaylor wrote:
"That is unusual" they told me.
......... The three replacements 
Did you find out what had faulted in each compressor Mark ?
My Dealer even reeled off the usual faults , and said that LRA are very unhappy about
the level of warranty expense . What about the damn customer ; we bought them and
LRA made a s. load of markup on Factory Gate prices , so let 'em wear it I say !
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| 5th Aug 2010 9:46 am |
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MarkTaylor
Member Since: 28 Dec 2006
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 185
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No they didn't tell me what was wrong with the compressor in all 3 replacements... usually preceded by air suspension fault light on dash. Basically the compressor stopped pumping air.
I was just saying to a mate of mine tonight on the phone (he has a new D4) that they should take the plans to Korea and get Hyundai to build the bloody things. Or Kia!
This case hardening issue I have just read about... makes it sound like I'll be up for a new front diff soon.. i mean the first one failed around 36K and now I have done 76K....
I truly believe that LRA just look at what they have paid to replace all the faulty items on my car and add up the dollars and say.." That's It. All the profit in this car is gone.. therefore we don't want to know about the car or the owner."
So. do Land Cruiser owners go through all this drama?
Mark Taylor Nothing of any value is ever achieved without some sacrifice.
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| 5th Aug 2010 11:01 am |
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caverD3
Member Since: 02 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
Posts: 6922
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MarkTaylor wrote:So. do Land Cruiser owners go through all this drama?
And worse if they push the issue. Toyota do not like warranty claims, they say they are so reliable it must be the customers fault. But usually Tojo owners don't complain.
LR positions itself as a premium brand so customers (rightly) have higher expectations.
Mark sounds like your dealership is poor. Mine (Alto has lways been honest and knowegable about issues. Three compessors sound like a leak causing overheating ane excess wear. Faulty valve block? “There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
Ernest Hemmingway
D4 3.0 Active Diff, Adaptive Lights, High Beam Assist, Surround Cameras, Privacy Glass.
D3 2.7:Adaptive Headlights,Electronic Rear Diff,ARB Bar,Blaupunkt Speakers,JVC Powered Subwoofer,Removable Snorkel,Mitch Hitch,Pioneer After Market Head Unit,Steering Wheel Control Adaptor,Remote Adjustable Supension Rod System, Taxside Dual Battery System.
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| 5th Aug 2010 12:54 pm |
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