Makes a change for Land Rover Customer care to actually get something sorted ! well i suppose they did not really until the terminal failure then they have no choice.
I have found them to be full of false promises on issues with a 2010 RRS TDV8 which in the end i had to hand back 2011 Disco 4 SDV6
Suppose I'm next on the list - on the way back from Germany on Saturday I notice a "distinct" puff of smoke on accelerating away from a set of traffic lights in the morning.LRs are a fond memory, apart from the maintenance.
27th Mar 2011 9:03 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
Member Since: 11 May 2006
Location: Off again! :-)
Posts: 73092
U been experimenting with different fuels due to the high price of Diesel?? Looks like Bombay Sapphire doesn't work then.
I did - Ranged from 1.19Euro in Luxembourg, 1.41-1.50Euro on the Motorways in France and 1.45Euro in Germany.
I did notice the the Service station we stopped for fuel at on the A26 just before Calais last October was 1.50Euro and the two Shell service stations further up were around 1.42Euro.LRs are a fond memory, apart from the maintenance.
28th Mar 2011 9:37 am
BENfromBE
Member Since: 05 Aug 2011
Location: Belgium
Posts: 1
747_JK wrote:
Been missing my D4 for nearly 3 weeks now. Was a chance of getting it back tomorrow with the new engine fitted, but the dealer has had to order additional parts (turbochargers) which have been discovered damaged during the engine carnage.
Have to say the dealer and LR Customer Services are continuing to be very proactive in updating me on progress with the car. Just looking forward to getting it back now. Currently driving an 09 RRS HSE from Enterprise, which LR sorted for me over Xmas.
Hello,
A friend of mine here in Belgium had the same issue with his RRS 3.0 HSE
As he was "trying" the car on the highway, the engine stops. He called LR assistance : the engine is blocked!
The car had only 48000 km (30000miles) and had run 28000 Km (about 17500 miles) since the last service so a bit more than 2500 miles more than the expected renewal off oil.
as you : new TDV6 engine, new torque converter, new flywheel and both turbochargers. All in all it cost him 18000€ (15700 GBP)
LR didn't want to repair under warranty because the car was remapped, I could understand if it was not a common problem (known issue) but it seems that your car wasn't remapped, isn't it?
The LR dealer took more than 2 months to repair ! I saw the engine and crankshaft was blocked, the oil was run out of viscosity.
Please be indulgent, my english is not as well as I would like to.
Ben
5th Aug 2011 8:26 am
747_JK
Member Since: 03 Apr 2010
Location: Surrey
Posts: 268
Havent been on the board for a few weeks Ben, so sorry for not replying.
Those were all the bits I had changed on my car after the total engine failure, and it took many many weeks too. However, not sure what you mean about the engine being "blocked". I dont think mine was blocked, it just had serious problems.
I hope he has got it sorted now - although I dont like the sound of his repair bill!!!747_JK
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27th Aug 2011 3:38 pm
Reginald Molehusband
Member Since: 17 Nov 2009
Location: West Calder
Posts: 632
Sad to re-kindle this thread but my 2010MY D4 is going in for its second visit on Thursday to have its smoking habit fixed. Symptoms same as 747's.
The first failed fix was apparently replacing a 'pipe' (sadly since the stealer replaced the service reception guy who knew one end of a car from the other with a woman who is very charming but does not and no generalising here, I am sure there are plenty of women are great with cars, just not this one), it is no loger possible to get useful information about repairs done.)
Surely by now there must be a standard fix, a TSB, for this blue smoke fault? I would prefer to short-circuit multiple visits and inconvenience. 2016 D4 Landmark SDV6 (Euro6), Zanzibar (late run D4)
2009 D4 HSE TDV6, Bali blue (first run D4)
2007 RRS TDV8 HSE, some blue
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Welcome back Reginald. As one who also has been suffering the " D4 blue smoke blues" and having read every post here I thought the subject had been closed by Land Rover producing fixes and making everyone happy, then I happened on your latest.
My MY2010 D4 SE gave me near heart failure when I was taking delivery of it in February 2011, ( I bought it from the first buyer at 13000kms) when it stalled and fogged out a NSW country town. There being no dealer inside 300km I pressed on. Subsequent inquiry on my local dealer showed they were ignorant of the issue, irrespective of what D4 owners in the UK and Europe were experiencing. So I have been practising "watchful waiting".
It has now done 64000km, with several caravan trips, one of 3500km and recently one of 14000kms in 3 months towing a 2.5 tonne van around Australia. Yes it still smokes if I tramp it and also when accelerating after cruising for some time. Oil consumption was one litre in the last 14000 kms with consumption of that one litre being erratic over that distance. Prior to that trip, no measurable oil consumption. Fuel consumption averaged 14.4 litres/100 km for the 14000km and is 8 ltrs/100km without the van, and no loss of power.
I am offering this post as I hope that it gives some indication that the "smoking D4" condition is not immediately terminal for the engine. That is not to say I will not be pressing the dealer to address the issue before warranty expires.
MILODOG4
19th Aug 2012 2:14 pm
nigel207
Member Since: 26 Mar 2009
Location: Nottinghamshire
Posts: 1359
With regards to this issue which ours now seems to have, I take it that LR are doing their usual - absolutely sweet Fanny Adams!?
24th Aug 2012 12:17 pm
KenR
Member Since: 17 Jan 2010
Location: Argyll Scotland
Posts: 331
My 2010 MY has also developed this problerm, usually when pulling out to overtake. Does anyone know if LR has a definite fix for it yet or do I just need to take it to the dealer in hope? As I obviously use the same dealer as Reginald (and share his sentiments) that does not seem to be a sensible course of action and would prefer to have a TSB to quote.
24th Aug 2012 2:39 pm
MJIbex
Member Since: 13 Sep 2009
Location: Reading
Posts: 195
I don't think that we will have long to wait for a more permanent fix for the affected cars.
A fix is in the process of being finalised on the 4.4 TDV8s with the same problem.
The following is said for the 4.4 and I believe it is the same problem for the 3.0 so I would sumise that will be tackled next:-
"To experience this concern, two coincident factors must be present:
• The vehicle itself must be susceptible to the fault.
• The usage cycle of the vehicle will mean that the secondary turbo is rarely operated – i.e. gentle acceleration and generally slow speed driving with low engine revs.
This requirement for both conditions to be present can therefore affect the way that this concern manifests itself. An affected vehicle can be used by a different driver and not exhibit the concern (change of usage cycle), or the same driver may use a different vehicle that has previously not shown the concern and experience the same problem on this new vehicle (same usage cycle, second vehicle also has the same underlying susceptibility).
1 method to make sure that the problem does not manifest itself is to ensure that the secondary turbo does get to do some work; i.e. ocassionally where appropriate use greater throtle to allow engine revs to rise and the 2nd turbo to kick in - (when the engine is warm not when cold, obviously)
Mark.Gone: 2010MY 59 plate Bali Blue HSE.
Also gone : 2012MY 12 plate Firenze Red HSE.
In Bits : 2005 55plate 4.0 V8 Ibex 250s SW.
24th Aug 2012 3:45 pm
MJIbex
Member Since: 13 Sep 2009
Location: Reading
Posts: 195
KenR wrote:
My 2010 MY has also developed this problerm, usually when pulling out to overtake. Does anyone know if LR has a definite fix for it yet or do I just need to take it to the dealer in hope? As I obviously use the same dealer as Reginald (and share his sentiments) that does not seem to be a sensible course of action and would prefer to have a TSB to quote.
The reason this happens is that over time an amount of oil has built up and then when the 2nd turbo kicks in it blows oil smoke out the exhaust, by making the 2nd turbo operate more frequently the small amounts of oil are not allowed to accumilate into a big amount and then blow out in a spectacular style!
There is no fix at the moment, and I believe turbo replacement is not being authorsied (as it is not proving a permanent fix); but as above I think that it will not be far away, as the fundemental turbo set up and problem are the same on the 4.4 TDV8 RR.
Regards
Mark.Gone: 2010MY 59 plate Bali Blue HSE.
Also gone : 2012MY 12 plate Firenze Red HSE.
In Bits : 2005 55plate 4.0 V8 Ibex 250s SW.
24th Aug 2012 3:54 pm
CUCO
Member Since: 26 May 2011
Location: Spain & Oleee!!!
Posts: 609
so...we must adapt our driver habits to not smoke???? like remember that we must to floor it to launch it like a 747 "taking of" at every free road occasion to avoid smoking problem? errr....
IMHO: I dont agree, the car must be fit for purpose, for mine and my driving style, and yours and the other and others.....
why when the smoking problem is reincident and they fix it...the smoke dissapears? or maybe as they change parts of the car they change the "driving style part" of the owner?...i dont think so, so.... faulty thing in any place i think.
they maybe could"patch" this problem with a soft that makes the secondary turbo spin to clean the ducts in a trasparent way for the user...but i prefer a no soft patch, i mean a non leaking turbo, a mechanical sounded one, not patched to mask it.
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