Hess wrote:

The company that produces TSL also produces greases and one of their customers is
Brammer, in Manchester........

BLFarrar wrote:

Hess wrote:

The company that produces TSL also produces greases and one of their customers is
Brammer, in Manchester........

As I said, and indeed as you quoted me saying, the company also produces grease.
This grease is sold to Brammer direct, I don't have anything to do with that nor Brammer.

The rest of your post is to do with Brammer, and I have no dealings with them at all.
Your comments and views on them, how they conduct their business and what they sell
and how they sell it has nothing to do with me.

Just for the record, since you couldn't find any TSL in their outlets or website and are in doubt
here is their purchase order direct to the manufacturer. What they do with the grease is up to them.
If they sell it or use it themselves, I don't know.

But, I don't just post some company names that I can't back up with proof.

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This is the grease in question.

BLFarrar wrote:

Hess wrote:

The company that produces TSL also produces greases and one of their customers is
Brammer, in Manchester........

I have scoured the BRAMMER website & outlets......no sign of TSL....so if they have bought it it may be out on test somewhere in transport or industry...
Brammer have a slick operation....originally an industrial power transmission belting company & took over Bearing Services Ltd
They have slogged it out to become a "one stop shop" supplier of industrial "bits & pieces" expanding their range from bearings & power transmission, to pneumatics, hydraulics, safety equipment, tools etc.
In reality they have increased their turnover by selling into industry anything they can including some "consultancy" activities that looked for opportunities to sell more of their stuff.
Brammer have made themselves into the middleman wheeler dealer type provider that companies go to if they cant source something & Brammer will get it & charge 25% on top for the privilege......saves setting up accounts with small obscure & seldom used makers or providers.....large companies can claw back the 25% in the end of period hand back exercise......Yes you got it the goods are the same cost / price...you have just funded Brammer to the tune of a lot at no interest to them....(I said slick).
Brammer having (& maybe selling) TSL - isn't any endorsement of its properties.....Brammer are quite cute & dont offer any warranties over & above what they have to legally as an ISO 9001 / TS 16949 supplier. They have to provide this minimal offering to their customers as they would fall foul of their own audited operational procedures if they didn't.
It will be interesting to see what Brammer do with TSL - they steered away from SFR (admittedly before the more recent expansion into selling everything they could)...they already sell & deal with Rocol.....would give their right arm for a slice of Kluber (their words not mine).
The company I work for dont allow use of any add ins to fuel or lubricants in the vehicles they operate - they are mindful of warranties & wont commit to anything that hasn't got a proven cost saving.....that has to be balanced against other factors...initial & repeat cost of adding + any long term disadvantages not known or seen now but may have a cost eventually.
It will be of interest to see if ERIKS - Brammer's main adversary in the industry supply sector & especially Fenner (the most respected Brammer alternative take up TSL.
For the record we here in Halifax do some business with Brammer.....they aren't bad at selling bearings & power transmission items......some local suppliers beat the pants of Brammer with having ready to use stocks (Brammer don't stock that much.....but get it there in 24 ......or eventually), looking after customers better (Brammer are always turning over their sales staff if they don't meet targets 'bye 'bye)......3 months is the usual turn around on sales.
ERIKS (used to be Wyko-ESB) have prevailed at doing good business with those who have had Brammer "nightmare experiences" (doesnt get done or not bothered attitudes at the customer phone in interface)
Sadly Brammer have knocked some smaller local companies out....by selling cheap (they did for quite a while sell Brand X bearings that came from dubious sources...indistinguishable from the real thing with cloned packaging)...Brammer aren't very happy about this & can do nothing to dispel peoples fears of the same thing happening again.

Brammer dont exactly sell snake oil.....but they could & would.

BFL: Not sure what your post is about but it has no relevance other than possibly to a lawyer.

No one is forcing you to use TSL. Those of us that have used it have noticed a positive benefit and are happy. Hess has validated his statements by providing proof that other industries and businesses use it.

If you don't believe in it fine, just stop the silliness and focus on something more productive.

Ent wrote:

BLF

I cannot see the relevance or point to your post The proof of the pudding is in the eating so why not take a look at the list of members who have bought TSL and then look at all the positive comments, is that not a good reference marker instead of linking it to a totally seperate company selling a totally seperate product?
Better still why don't you buy some and then review it in a couple of months?

After reading all the positive comments from members on here, I am almost prepared to eat my words, and buy some myself, to try it out.

I feel some of this coming on:

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Dave T wrote:

Hess, put the TSL in my noisy old defender today, after 5 mins running the difference was incredible, you could actually hear it getting quieter as it ran. Amazing, I really wouldnt have believed it!

Glad both the Defenders won't wake the neighbours anymore when you guys go off-roading

StephenO wrote:

Got to agree with Dave. Put the TSL in the Defender a few days ago and ran the engine for a wee while whilst working away in the garage. No real difference at the time that I could notice but took it out for a drive yesterday and it's definitely quieter, I could actually hear myself think! Lol