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To put it into perspective it would be useful to know the total number of Discos that went to Oval in 2019.Gary
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10th Jan 2020 7:10 pm
Red Merle
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Washwipe wrote:
LT wrote:
Really surprised it was that many.
With all the posts on crankshafts I was expecting many more.
It’s a great test of perception vs reality. It’s a significant problem, but not the problem that many owners were expecting 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
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10th Jan 2020 7:18 pm
MikeBob
Member Since: 19 Sep 2016
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Washwipe wrote:
LT wrote:
Really surprised it was that many.
With all the posts on crankshafts I was expecting many more.
Exactly what I was thinking
10th Jan 2020 7:52 pm
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Red Merle wrote:
Washwipe wrote:
LT wrote:
Really surprised it was that many.
With all the posts on crankshafts I was expecting many more.
It’s a great test of perception vs reality. It’s a significant problem, but not the problem that many owners were expecting
It's actually what I have been saying for years ....It's not a 'significant' problem ....just another average reason for any engine to go pop ....happens to all the marques to a lesser or greater degree.
But hey.... let's not stand in the way of Project fear of the D3\4 engine world. 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
10th Jan 2020 8:15 pm
LT
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Washwipe wrote:
LT wrote:
Really surprised it was that many.
With all the posts on crankshafts I was expecting many more.
As a percentage of members of this forum, those who have been unfortunate to have suffered the dreaded has to be low.
I see countless D3's and D4's everyday, they're very popular in my neck of the woods. Whilst of course I read about the tales of woe on this forum, outside of it I don't actually know of anyone or even heard of anyone who's crank has snapped.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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10th Jan 2020 8:43 pm
ronp
Member Since: 29 Nov 2006
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And surely it's partly down to how you respect your Disco - e.g.
Regular oil changes & servicing.
Treating the engine with respect and not thrashing it.
.... I could go on
But my fingers are still crossed. ...... always on the road less travelled 🚧
10th Jan 2020 9:04 pm
jjvd21
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As someone who had nothing to gain in the sweepstakes but was following in suspense I’m surprised at such a low number. I hope the 3 who kept their broken crankshafts were able to turn them into a great piece of art 16 D4 Landmark
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10th Jan 2020 9:54 pm
Randylover
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But 15 is only at Oval
What about the rest of the country I bet they would add up to an eye watering number
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10th Jan 2020 10:03 pm
3disco
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As I have said before having spent 50yrs as a mechanic have never fitted a crankshaft in an engine through breakage land rover or other,still might be a small percentage but to high for me!
10th Jan 2020 10:09 pm
Disco_Mikey
Member Since: 29 May 2007
Location: Dundee, Scotland
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Randylover wrote:
But 15 is only at Oval
What about the rest of the country I bet they would add up to an eye watering number
Andy
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We need to be cognisant of the fact that this only concerns snapped cranks. How many more have bearings that have turned in the journals, blocking the oil gallery, potentially rendering the crank as scrap? Mine for one is one of these statistics and I have the crank in my shed to prove it. It's potentially just as bad as a snapped crank resulting in a full engine rebuild and a £3k - £6k repair bill.
We also need to bear in mind that Joe @ Oval specialises in remanufacturing the TDV6 and the majority of his work is attributed to this by comparison to other independents who focus on routine servicing, general wear and tear items and other faults. As a result, Ovals numbers concerning engine rebuilds, whether that be snapped cranks, spun bearings or thrown rods, are always going to be higher than other indepedents.Kev
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11th Jan 2020 8:26 am
OvalAutos
Member Since: 28 Dec 2018
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Well done Andy (RRSPORT) and Colin (DISCO3/4)
So it's the tiebreak question to Colin and Andy now. How many (including the snapped cranks) did we scrap in 2019? If you're both right or both closest, I'll spilt the eventual prize between you.
Everyone can have a guess, but if Andy and Colin can PM me, I won't have to pick you out of the crowd!
Colin is at a slight disadvantage as he got rid of his RR for a L200 (traitor!). So we might have to tailor the prize accordingly.
Once we have a winner, I'll give my take on the crank situation. There have been lots of thoughts/views/opinions on the forums and I think a bit more insight might be helpful.
Good luck guys....Joe
11th Jan 2020 8:40 am
M3bobby
Member Since: 21 May 2018
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You could make one of the cranks the annual Crappy, Snappy, Crank Trophy. A very heavy Trophy to present but I’d love to hear the speech that would accompany it.012MY RRS 5.0 Supercharged Autobiography (Current)
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11th Jan 2020 9:08 am
M3DPO
Member Since: 22 Sep 2010
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ronp wrote:
And surely it's partly down to how you respect your Disco - e.g.
Regular oil changes & servicing.
Treating the engine with respect and not thrashing it.
.... I could go on
But my fingers are still crossed.
I hope Del doesn’t read this post or he will go off on one It can when others can't,
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11th Jan 2020 9:25 am
OvalAutos
Member Since: 28 Dec 2018
Location: Cradley Heath
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OK, the answers are in from Colin and Andy. I can say that we don't have an exact number and it's not a tiebreak.
Colin guessed at 22
Andy guessed at 31
The total number of crankshafts (snapped, bent, melted or whatever) we could not reuse in 2019 is 40
So Andy from RRSPORT is the nearest
Well done to Colin for a valiant effort and sticking with the forum, even though you turned to the dark side
Give me a call to discuss your well deserved prize please Andy.
As before, we lost a few cranks to customers for whatever reason??
We'll be back with a new competition soon. Feel free to make suggestions folks.....Joe
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