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DG wrote:
Not sure why we are comparing the D4 to the FFRR in a D5 thread
I think because having seen the D5 and the comments in this thread, some might be thinking of a FFRR instead.
6th Oct 2016 3:56 pm
muddywheels4wd
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Location: East Riding of Yorkshire
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I'm considering the new Defender now Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW
Still hoping for a S2 one day!
6th Oct 2016 4:10 pm
Landroverfan1
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New defender to be made of paper in new Land Rover weight (and money) saving scheme. Steering wheel and engines only available on luxury pack (a £1m option).
Probably.
And yes am sorry this is on a D5 thread.
6th Oct 2016 4:24 pm
DG Site Moderator
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crews control wrote:
but then again I'm not sure why we're discussing the D5 on a D3/4 forum?
because we have a D5 section 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
6th Oct 2016 4:25 pm
den2013
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^^ and also due to the fact its the replacement of the D4 and a logical place to talk about upgrading, the proper D5 section is where those who bought one can winge and whine about it. 2015 D4 HSE LUX Kaikoura Stone(sold)
2010 D4 S Commercial Santorini Black(SWMBO)(sold)
2014 Evoque Dynamic Kaikoura Stone (sold)
2013 Porsche Boxster S (Fun car)
2008 D3 HSE Java Black(sold)
6th Oct 2016 5:09 pm
den2013
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And talking about Defender, is there no-one on here who has seen it yet, surly there must be some form of mule running about by now. 2015 D4 HSE LUX Kaikoura Stone(sold)
2010 D4 S Commercial Santorini Black(SWMBO)(sold)
2014 Evoque Dynamic Kaikoura Stone (sold)
2013 Porsche Boxster S (Fun car)
2008 D3 HSE Java Black(sold)
6th Oct 2016 5:11 pm
Red Merle
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Since the aborted DC100 project, there's been nothing at all. There's not even been much activity from the fiction factory at Auto Express (I'd have thought that they'd have dreamed up something by now), which is very odd. So, Lord knows!2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
6th Oct 2016 5:30 pm
den2013
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^^Im surprised really, don't think LR have had much to do lately TBH, I mean, it not really hard work cloning cars is it, they could have actually spent some more time on the Defender in the mean time and come up with something that Defender lovers will actually want and got some cars on the road for testing.2015 D4 HSE LUX Kaikoura Stone(sold)
2010 D4 S Commercial Santorini Black(SWMBO)(sold)
2014 Evoque Dynamic Kaikoura Stone (sold)
2013 Porsche Boxster S (Fun car)
2008 D3 HSE Java Black(sold)
6th Oct 2016 5:37 pm
AndrewS Tarquin of the Desert
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Why do you think they are not working hard on a new vehicle that will fill a gap created by the demise of the Defender?In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
6th Oct 2016 5:46 pm
den2013
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Andrew, despite what i am saying im sure they are, i just hope its better than what they have just released thats all, it would just be nice to see something out there really, just some form of spy shot in the distance. Im just hoping they are not going to give up on that type of vehicle after the dropping the DC100 , i know the replacement will have huge boots to follow but I just have lost a lot of faith in LR lately and think that they don't want to make, as some would say, another up.2015 D4 HSE LUX Kaikoura Stone(sold)
2010 D4 S Commercial Santorini Black(SWMBO)(sold)
2014 Evoque Dynamic Kaikoura Stone (sold)
2013 Porsche Boxster S (Fun car)
2008 D3 HSE Java Black(sold)
6th Oct 2016 5:56 pm
Red Merle
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AndrewS wrote:
Why do you think they are not working hard on a new vehicle that will fill a gap created by the demise of the Defender?
The gap is surprisingly small and unlikely to generate profit.
While it was undeniably "iconic" and despite the final blip in in sales numbers, this car has been selling in penny numbers for a long time. Vocal enthusiasts buy old Defenders (not new ones), while nearly all of those that used to buy new Defenders have long since moved on to an array of far eastern alternatives. Dealers are no longer set up to supply and service their most traditional customers either.
Should they decide to re enter this market, they will not only be doing so from scratch but they'll be entering a market that will expect discounts to compete with the likes of Nissan, Toyota, Mitsubishi and even the likes of Great Wall. For a company now used to selling high value, high margin cars to people with money, it must be difficult to put together a convincing argument to spend large amounts of development money in a hurry.
Alternatively, they might use the brand to build another variation on a modern leisure 4x4.2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
6th Oct 2016 6:04 pm
artschool
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Red Merle wrote:
Since the aborted DC100 project, there's been nothing at all. There's not even been much activity from the fiction factory at Auto Express (I'd have thought that they'd have dreamed up something by now), which is very odd. So, Lord knows!
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Did you not read DG's post a few days ago?DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
6th Oct 2016 6:25 pm
Red Merle
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Location: Liskeard
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Thank you for pointing that gem out, it's the first I've seen! Their intern must have been busy again
To ensure that we treat their predictions with the respect they deserve, here's a wonderful piece of their quality journalism, giving a really nice indication of what the new Discovery Sport will look like, from a year or two before its launch
My apologies people, I'm going well Off Topic here!2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
6th Oct 2016 6:26 pm
Bill Wright
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I went to the Visitor Centre at Lode Lane yesterday to see the New Disco. A well worthwhile visit and as a result, I will buy one when they become available.
So I've seen it, sat in it had the technical explanations and met the Project Manager who incidentally is also Project Manager for the New Defender which I thought was a pretty large portfolio. He was very tight lipped about that except to say that it had moved a long way technically from the Concept Car shown a couple of years ago. I pushed on the subject of mules but he just smiled.
PS For anyone who is going and hasn't been before, don't go into the Visitors' Car Park on the right of the entrance road. Go straight to the Main Gate where you will be directed to the Valet parking crew at the Visitor's Centre just inside the gate.Never take life too seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
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