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Tow it out of a hole - no proper recovery points according to the dealer
Are you sure ? Don't ask me, I asked the question at the dealership and no one had a proper answer. Not good for a Land Rover is it?
Open the rear doors in a tight car park - rear doors are much longer than D4
Of course you can open the doors!! Have you seen the new doors? They are a lot longer which means more difficult to open in a tight space, with an already wider vehicle. The salesman made a big thing of how long the doors were. Do the math on angles, openings and length.
Open the tailgate in a multi-storey
Of course you can!! You sure?
Just open the top of the split tailgate so stuff doesn't fall out - perfect when in the mountains or service station car park
Beleive you can keep the plank up? Still don't want or need to open the whole boot.
Reach across to the passengers side in the front as its too wide
??? Really? Yes, tried it. And I'm well over 6'. Have you been in the new D5 btw?
Squeeze through narrow gaps off road
True
Fit a raised air intake.
Most do not need one? I do and have had one on all my Discoverys from Tdi onwards.
Buy a sump guard from the accessory catalogue
Maybe? Nope, not in there. Not a single piece of off road equipment.
Fit a winch
Most do not need one? I'm not most.
Buy one for a reasonable/realistic price
Starting price is only slightly more Overpriced for the lack of practicality.
Reach across the roof when strapping things on
Fit a square hitch receiver?
etc etc
These are entirely my personal views based on what I've use my D3 for for the last 7 years, and a D1 and D2 and RRC and Defenders before that. If LR don't think these things are important then they don't want nor will get my money.Tony
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11th Dec 2016 4:13 pm
petersw
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I'm sure the D5 off road prowess will slaughter the D4
Tomorrow's road test will probably shed light on this.Peter
11th Dec 2016 4:18 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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Daft question but how can a road test show how good it is off-road?
11th Dec 2016 4:21 pm
fat bloke
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So if the D5 had split tailgate would this swing it for most?
11th Dec 2016 4:25 pm
Robse
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But it's still got its pi$$ flapVelar MY18 D180 S Narvik
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11th Dec 2016 4:29 pm
petersw
Member Since: 17 Nov 2012
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....specifically my needs arent realised by the D5 & this isn't anything about style.
Its an SUV offering replacing the Disco 3/4 hopefully with practical features that meet users needs, mine won't be met by the D5.
I'm still wondering, what is it you can do with your D3/4 that you can't do with the D5 ?
Tow it out of a hole - no proper recovery points according to the dealer
Open the rear doors in a tight car park - rear doors are much longer than D4
Open the tailgate in a multi-storey
Just open the top of the split tailgate so stuff doesn't fall out - perfect when in the mountains or service station car park
Reach across to the passengers side in the front as its too wide
Squeeze through narrow gaps off road
Fit a raised air intake.
Buy a sump guard from the accessory catalogue
Fit a winch
Buy one for a reasonable/realistic price
Reach across the roof when strapping things on
Fit a square hitch receiver?
etc etc
Ruggedpeak....many thanks for answering for me
The points are additional to the ones I had / have
Like:
Second row seats that are fit for purpose
The size / shape of the load area...
Lack of split tailgate..
The eventual 3.0 Diesel engine
The actual cost for a reasonably specked oneBREXIT - done properly.
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Jag XK-but sadly no DIPSTICK...HUGE design fault
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VW Golf wondermobile (?)..has real DIPSTICK
Morris Minor..original DIPSTICK technology..and a real KEY.
So if the D5 had split tailgate would this swing it for most?
No.....not for me see above postBREXIT - done properly.
Right now ...We need Government - not Politics
Save the Dipstick Flagbearer-keep it simple, less likely to fail campaign-agenda items:Starting Handles, Acetylene Lamps.
Founder: Dipsticks-R-Us Inc
D3 HSE-perfectly formed, passenger friendly...has real DIPSTICK
Jag XK-but sadly no DIPSTICK...HUGE design fault
FL2 has DIPSTICK..."real comfort in rear seats"
VW Golf wondermobile (?)..has real DIPSTICK
Morris Minor..original DIPSTICK technology..and a real KEY.
11th Dec 2016 4:42 pm
ruggedpeak
Member Since: 10 Jun 2010
Location: UK
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In all the excitement I forgot the 2nd row of seats. They are a total joke. When I looked at and then sat in them it was a real WTF moment.
I'm well over 6', as are one of my kids and the other one will be in the lifetime of the next car I buy. Aside from the off road and practicality that I use in the D3, the rear seats fit full size adults which I need. The 2nd row of seats in the D5 are for midgets. They are appalling in a car that size and that much money.
We've just ordered a Renault Kadjar for SWMBO - the rear seating in that is infinitely better than the D5. It is a far more comfortable car, especially in the back.Tony
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11th Dec 2016 4:45 pm
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Re: J77
jimbg wrote:
ruggedpeak wrote:
Robse wrote:
BLFarrar wrote:
....specifically my needs arent realised by the D5 & this isn't anything about style.
Its an SUV offering replacing the Disco 3/4 hopefully with practical features that meet users needs, mine won't be met by the D5.
I'm still wondering, what is it you can do with your D3/4 that you can't do with the D5 ?
Tow it out of a hole - no proper recovery points according to the dealer
Are you sure ?
Open the rear doors in a tight car park - rear doors are much longer than D4
Of course you can open the doors!!
Open the tailgate in a multi-storey
Of course you can!!
Just open the top of the split tailgate so stuff doesn't fall out - perfect when in the mountains or service station car park
Beleive you can keep the plank up?
Reach across to the passengers side in the front as its too wide
??? Really?
Squeeze through narrow gaps off road
True
Fit a raised air intake.
Most do not need one?
Buy a sump guard from the accessory catalogue
Maybe?
Fit a winch
Most do not need one?
Buy one for a reasonable/realistic price
Starting price is only slightly more
Reach across the roof when strapping things on
Fit a square hitch receiver?
etc etc
I can see that you need features that most do not want and have a problem with the D5, but LR have to address what it believes are the needs of the majority if it is to be a successful car maker.
Yes, but why thow it into a market with the X5, Q7, RRS and Merc? Off road ability is not a key differentiator for this segment. All the other features that helped it differentiate it from the competition has gone and give it that appeal across a wider market sector has gone.D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
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11th Dec 2016 4:47 pm
ruggedpeak
Member Since: 10 Jun 2010
Location: UK
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petersw wrote:
I'm sure the D5 off road prowess will slaughter the D4
Tomorrow's road test will probably shed light on this.
Based on what? So far all we've seen is a lot of shots of the D5 on flat tracks through rugged environments. And that nice car park shot shows no front recovery points so I'll wager £5 to Help for Heroes that the Land Rover PR team won't be pushing these D5's even close to what a D3/4 can do. If they were they'd need proper off road gear like a recovery point and a sump guard.
A Shogun could do that rock crawl on the Autocar website from the available shots, as could SWMBO's new Kadjar I reckon. Not that I'm going to try!
But don't take my word for it, this bloke knows a bit more about motoring than me:
"The promised new Defender, when it comes, had better be good.
Land Rover is working hard to create a halo and market space for their icon’s long-awaited successor – and that includes the softening of the Discovery’s face for this fifth-generation model so there’s minimum internal competition in the ‘toughness’ area.
More and more over 27 years and four previous incarnations, the Discovery came to be the do-it-all 4x4, the one you chose to cross a bog, tow a horse box or use for a big-mileage expedition on which four or more people had to be comfortable. Even JLR’s own people chose Discoverys as support vehicles for the tough stuff.
For the Discovery 5, the company is continuing to make big claims about versatility and durability. This is the best off-roader they’ve ever made, they insist, and will doubtless have evidence. But the new model doesn’t quite look like it. To my eye, the priority is city style and school runs, as evidenced by the fact that the one version Land Rover is highlighting at launch is the ‘stealth’ edition, with its ‘athletic’ bumpers surely aimed at an urban elite.
Toughness has always been associated with Land Rovers, but with the launch of this one, you could argue, it’s far less evident. It may be time for Land Rover to get out of the suburbs."
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Re: J77
BLFarrar wrote:
ruggedpeak wrote:
Robse wrote:
BLFarrar wrote:
....specifically my needs arent realised by the D5 & this isn't anything about style.
Its an SUV offering replacing the Disco 3/4 hopefully with practical features that meet users needs, mine won't be met by the D5.
I'm still wondering, what is it you can do with your D3/4 that you can't do with the D5 ?
Tow it out of a hole - no proper recovery points according to the dealer
Open the rear doors in a tight car park - rear doors are much longer than D4
Open the tailgate in a multi-storey
Just open the top of the split tailgate so stuff doesn't fall out - perfect when in the mountains or service station car park
Reach across to the passengers side in the front as its too wide
Squeeze through narrow gaps off road
Fit a raised air intake.
Buy a sump guard from the accessory catalogue
Fit a winch
Buy one for a reasonable/realistic price
Reach across the roof when strapping things on
Fit a square hitch receiver?
etc etc
Ruggedpeak....many thanks for answering for me
The points are additional to the ones I had / have
Like:
Second row seats that are fit for purpose
The size / shape of the load area...
Lack of split tailgate..
The eventual 3.0 Diesel engine
The actual cost for a reasonably specked one
I'm not asking what you don't like about it. I'm asking what is it you need to do in/with your vehicle that the new D5 won't allow you to do - physically
If it's gonna get stuck in a hole every day surely one wouldn't spend £50k on a car.Velar MY18 D180 S Narvik
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11th Dec 2016 5:45 pm
J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
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The D5 has proper recovery points as per the D4
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