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RRSTDV8
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Well China's current version of communism certainly seems to be working extremely well if one assesses the country by capitalist metrics. It's rather amusing that the US sees itself as the great economy and yet it's basically sold itself down the river. Yes, some people are making lots of money but it's an ever growing divide between the top end and the bottom end.
At some point, the US will collapse - probably because the Chinese or the Russians finally decide to "turn off the internet". I don't think it'll be too long before we see massive outages in connected systems in the west. They've been playing around at it for a while now and some of the trials have been quite informative. I bet every important computer system in the US is infected with a Russian or Chinese trojan. The US (and the UK and others) will pretty quickly fall apart if those connected systems are severely damaged.
It's not just for internal control that the Chinese and Russians have their own internets. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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LT
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From what I read and hear income and wealth inequality in China has grown. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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| 19th Aug 2021 10:36 am |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
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It's no surprise. There are always the haves and the have-nots, no matter what the political system. All systems aid the few at the expense of the many - the difference is how those various systems are sold by the few to the many as being in the interest of the many. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 19th Aug 2021 11:03 am |
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kajtzu
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RRSTDV8 wrote:At some point, the US will collapse - probably because the Chinese or the Russians finally decide to "turn off the internet". I don't think it'll be too long before we see massive outages in connected systems in the west. They've been playing around at it for a while now and some of the trials have been quite informative. I bet every important computer system in the US is infected with a Russian or Chinese trojan. The US (and the UK and others) will pretty quickly fall apart if those connected systems are severely damaged.
It's not just for internal control that the Chinese and Russians have their own internets.
Apropos this, read today https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/...et-cables/. I have somewhat of a professional interest in submarine cables.
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| 19th Aug 2021 4:15 pm |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
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RRSTDV8 wrote:It's no surprise. There are always the haves and the have-nots, no matter what the political system. All systems aid the few at the expense of the many - the difference is how those various systems are sold by the few to the many as being in the interest of the many.
My point was that in that respect China is no different to or better than the US or the West in general.  2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
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| 19th Aug 2021 4:56 pm |
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SantaCruz
Member Since: 22 Jan 2012
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RRSTDV8 wrote:On the bright side, the RAF's Voyager crews are getting excellent experience for when they become airline pilots. 7-10 flights a day out of Afghanistan at the moment. It'll be just like flying people home from their summer holidays in Benidorm... 
No voyagers are flying into Kabul 😉.. only A400M, C17 and C130's.... my crew alone on an A400 have brought back over 900 Afghans to the UAE, its is a very humbling experience when the little kid are saying thankyou and waving at as as they get off.
the frames are literally flying 24/7. Si
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| 25th Aug 2021 10:29 am |
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Dimcandle
Member Since: 06 Feb 2020
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Well informed rumour (but only rumour) that flights in to Kabul curtailed this morning and 2 Para are involved with a heated dispute with the Taliban.
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| 25th Aug 2021 11:12 am |
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nigethecat
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Do we have any C-130s left ?  Now what sort of situation would they be useful in ????? I want to see the sweets before I get into your windowless van... I'm not stupid!
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mark the spark
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id suggest the Taliban give the Argies a call before re considering if they wish to continue with that dispute 8) MY05 SE D3 Manual my first LR what a car
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| 25th Aug 2021 1:20 pm |
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nigethecat
Member Since: 11 Sep 2016
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Dimcandle wrote:2 Para are involved with a heated dispute with the Taliban.
That's not going to end well for the Taliban ! I want to see the sweets before I get into your windowless van... I'm not stupid!
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Indus Silver D4 HSE 2015 (gone)
Bonatti Grey D3 HSE 2006 (gone)
White D3 S (LHD) 2007 (gone)
Firenze Red D4 HSE 2014 (gone)
Black RRS 3.6TDV8 2008 (gone)
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| 25th Aug 2021 1:20 pm |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
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There are a lot of Taliban and they can close the airport meaning the troops there are besieged should the Taliban wish it so. They have a lot of kit left by the Yanks and only need a handful of ManPADS to close the airport to flights. As fine a bunch of soldiers as the Paras are, they can't fight long without support and resupply. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 25th Aug 2021 4:08 pm |
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kajtzu
Member Since: 10 Aug 2017
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Pretty sure they can close and disable the runway with a few well targeted 60-120 mm mortar rounds, really. Reach for 60 mm is in excess of 3000 meters on a good day and the 120 mm ones can be shot from 3x distance. All should be available locally since they’re basic infantry kit for the us military and were issued to the local Afghani army.
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| 25th Aug 2021 4:16 pm |
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JordsDisco
Member Since: 22 May 2020
Location: Newcastle
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Remember the Russians were there from 1979 to 1992. They suffered 15,000 dead, many more casualties. From 2001 to present, the US, UK and others in coalition have suffered 3,500 deaths. The Afghans/Taliban are far from inexperienced in battle/gorilla warfare. Most grew up knowing nothing else, it’s in their blood and they believe in their cause. I wouldn’t under estimate them.
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